#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

If your offspring is old enough to go to university then they are not a child any more. So it's up to them, really.

I subsequently found out that Warwick was operating playing field levelling policies and was taking extra cash to let in students who did not deserve a place on merit.

What?? Did not deserve a place on merit? I assume you are talking about contextual offers? I think you'll find they are totally about getting a place on merit and getting bloody good results despite the shitty schools they go to.

Please don't derail this thread with your snobby attitude. This incident has NOTHING to do with letting children from poor comprehensives into Warwick.

I've learnt that the men haven't been convicted of anything and are therefore innocent

Really? You have read the transcripts and think they’re innocent?

Was it the rape threats, the racism or the discussion of sex with a minor that convinced you?

There’s a wide range of behaviour between “convicted of” and “innocent”.

@soManyChances..... your name is very appropriate. I will assume you are ok with the disgusting and abhorrent content of their cosy little chats. It is because of people like you that rape and violent dialogue around women continues to be an accepted part of society

It was when the OP said that they haven't even been prosecuted. The first post on the thread

My DD's rapist wasn't prosecuted either. The rape banter inherent in his profession was just that apparently....just banter amongst the boys
What's your point?

No. It's binary

Given they aren’t in a court of law no it isn’t.

They are clearly guilty of sending the messages. Therefor Warwick can choose whether that behaviour is appropriate in their institution.

You and Warwick might find someone threatening rape a safe person to have on campus. I don’t believe they are.

I also don’t believe the women should have to suffer further so we don’t harm the men involved.

Can you IMAGINE the fury on Mumsnet if someone's son got expelled because they'd been added to a group chat

This situation happened in our school, DS was a part of a group chat discussing a particular teacher and they said things they shouldn't have said. As DS didn't contribute to the chat, he was fine, but all boys that contributed and said anything slanderous, they were suspended.

Just to make sure then that I haven't got the wrong end of the stick, the 2 boys allowed back...were they the main perpetrators?

There was no suffering, was there

Read the statements by the women.

In your not very humble opinion there wasn't any 'suffering'. The women named in the group chat feel differently.
I know who's opinion I'll listen to.

If he talked about the female victims you'd call him patronising.

Not true. The fact is, if he had have talked more about the female victims, justifying the boys return would have been a damn site harder.

There seems to be an assumption on this thread from some posters that all male students at Warwick and similar institutions are from privileged, entitled and morally questionable backgrounds. Just to point out that this isn’t actually the case (!)
Plenty of decent students who just worked hard to get there - and are utterly disgusted at the actions of the guilty students.

I posted previously about the airport bomb threats prosecution.

And also the case i cannkt recall the name of where someone was successfully prosecuted for importing what they thought was heroin, but wasnt.

Thought crimes basically. This instance is no different. They were luckily from a criminal prosecutions point of view. This same luck shoukd have run out re being disciplined by the uni. Its not on.

Let's not de-rail the thread with the attention seeking of one poster.

billydilly that's amazing please come back if you get a response although I suspect it will just be more obfuscation.

I think the main point is being missed by society. Not who should or who shouldn't return. Which messages were worse. Who deserves what punishment etc

But HOW, in today's society do young men have this attitude towards women? How do they develop a group chat called 'Fuck women, disrepect all women' then go on to discuss rape, sexual assault, incest, who deserves to be raped, who would never get raped (too ugly), whether or not to rape a Pakistani girl...where the FUCK are they getting these views from?

All intents and purposes they are very privileged well off young men, so where do these attitudes come from? (that is not to say poorer folk should have these views...)

Same with the rugby rape case, the way they spoke about girls/women. The way they laughed after they'd raped her and chucked her back home crying.

Same with Ched Evans, and he'd 'got a bird' who then they both raped and then escaped the the fire exit, having never spoken to the girl, which their mates filmed her from the window.

Ched is 'innocent' and well protected by his fans. The rugby rapists were also let go, despite the woman bleeding, and crying afterwards (taxi driver witness).

Even when a woman is beaten, bleach poured on her face, and left bleeding to death at the bottom of the stairs, she was asking for rough sex.

And people wonder why feminists have massive issues, with how society treats women

I don't know, but from reading between the lines, they don't look like the main perpetrators, and they might have been in the exact circumstance above.

In any case I'm glad that at least your son wasn't punished for something he didn't do.

It looks like Warwick has said over and over that the conversation was not acceptable.

It is frightening. Incel attitudes are terrifying and increasingly common. Porn and the internet and social hatred of women has a lot to answer for, and that generation are at university right now, along with record high levels of mental health issues and (from reading Mumsnet) a lot of confusion around gender roles.

But universities also have to operate within the law. They cannot eject students without due process or based on the senior team's personal feelings or massive online petitions, that's a slippery slope. They cannot tell the police to prosecute when the police have refused to get involved. So what's left? How do they or any of us actually fix this?

Afternoon,

Just letting you know that we've deleted a number of recent posts, all left by a previously banned poster who was clearly here to provoke.

Thanks very much for all the reports - we've banned this poster now.