#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

I can't believe that there are people here trying to minimise,excuse and trivialise what these men did .
Talking about their trauma is fucking insulting.
Worrying about their future is fucking insulting.
Expecting their victims to get over it is fucking insulting.

Calling them twats,idiots,stupid,boys,arseholes is minimising. They are sexist,mysoginistic,racist sexual deviants at best, predators at worst.

And their behaviour could very well escalate it's happened many times before. It will happen again.

I can't believe that there are people here trying to minimise,excuse and trivialise what these men did .
Talking about their trauma is fucking insulting.
Worrying about their future is fucking insulting.
Expecting their victims to get over it is fucking insulting.

Calling them twats,idiots,stupid,boys,arseholes is minimising. They are sexist,mysoginistic,racist sexual deviants at best, predators at worst.

And their behaviour could very well escalate it's happened many times before. It will happen again.

Unsurprisingly, some of the academic departments (History and English) at Warwick are expressing dismay at this, as you can see from the Twitter feed of one of the victims:

twitter.com/meg_wain

The English department is demanding an explanation from the VC. Good for them.

”Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you”

@Eliza9917 - I was bullied for 5 years at school - it was ‘just’ verbal and exclusionary. I was having suicidal thoughts and desires at age 14, and have a lifelong history of depression, anxiety and low self esteem as a result.

So words DO hurt!

Incidentally, my bullying was exacerbated by the fact that my mum shared your stupid, uncaring opinion, and as a result, I never felt I could tell her that the bullying didn’t stop. I told her once, in tears, and she said ‘Sticks and stones...’ and told me if I ignored it, they would stop. They didn’t, and I honestly thought I had NO options - I couldn’t tell the school because if my own mum didn’t think it was worth caring about, why would the teachers. And if I did tell, and there was a backlash, mum wouldn’t have my back. And if I did tell her it was still going on, she would tell me I wasn’t ignoring them well enough.

So I suffered in silence. For 5 years of verbal bullying. And it destroyed me.

So - pardon my french - but FUCK RIGHT OFF with your ‘Sticks and stones ...’ crap.

Apologies to everyone else for me-railing.

SDTG really sorry to hear about your experiences xx
I remember hearing a tragic story of an 11 year old who hung himself because the older boys at his new school were targetting him every day
just before he went upstairs to his room he told his Mum "you don't know what it's like when people hate you..." broke my heart to read that
so yeah, words really do hurt and seriously damage and to think someone wants to cause you real physical pain is I imagine extremely distressing
It sounds very depressing that university students or anyone has to put up with this abusive crap - what a sick society we have

I'm a post doc alumni from Warwick. I'm disgusted and will be complaining about this.

STDG

I ignored the bullying too or tried to stand up for myself. It was all my fault because i was too giggly,too loud,too jokey. That stuff doesn't happen to "studious,serious girls."
Then it escalated to physical violence, and even then for a while I stood up for myself,I gave as good as I got. Still my fault, plus getting into trouble for fighting back.
And then, it escalated again...to sexual assault. I couldn't fight back then and didn't even need to be told it was my fault, I already learnt that lesson. Still was stupid enough to try and make a fuss and ask for help. Shouldn't have bothered.

Sticks and stones escalate. Abusive,bullying,aggressive behaviour escalates.

There are some people on twitter taking the mistake, learnt lesson, shouldn’t destroy life, second chance line.

The lead perpetrator had form, had been caught before, had been exposed to (weak) consequences before. Should he have a third chsnce?

www.thebubble.org.uk/current-affairs/student-life/we-need-to-have-a-conversation-about-group-chats/

I really don’t like the ‘stupid boys’ line of thinking. It seems to me to imply they did a silly thing or mistake through excessive exuberance like getting too drunk or whatever.

For me this sort of thing is not just ‘stupid’ talk or a silly mistake but a reflection on a persons character and morals. It’s not just ‘silly talk’. Goes way beyond that.

But perhaps I am excessively uptight and ‘humourless’.

The right penalty? I don’t know but probably they should have been chucked out. They would have been in a normal workplace surely. Crime or no crime.

I am told that some of the boys involved (not the main protagonists) are very shy, quiet types, described as "kind" and "gentle". They see themselves as very awkward with girls, and the sort never to have girlfriends. They therefore saw "no harm" in belonging to this type of group chat, as they didn't believe that they were any threat to any female in real life.

I am absolutely not condoning any of this, I am horrified and sickened by it all, but I am sharing what I know. I think this needs to be a wake up call for each and every young person, and for universities as educational establishments. Some of those involved did not say anything inappropriate themselves, but were implicated simply because they witnessed it and did not say anything. Quite rightly.

I commented yesterday and looked back in on the chat.

I still feel that people don’t have all the facts the University have. The main perpetrator has gone and I believe won’t be returning.

Th person who made the point of one of the perpetrators being named and the risk now one of them may harm themselves has a point tbh. I wondered that yesterday, after seeing stuff on other sites. Have a go at me for saying that but there are photos and names out now. I know some of the members of the chat group have been named but they weren’t necessarily the ring leaders/or made comments at all. I know some were punished for simply being members of that private chat group. Doesn’t forgive it all though and I feel for the women who had those comments made about them.

A panel of people (made up from a variety of roles at the Uni - including the student union) made the appeal decision. They obviously know things maybe we don’t know.

I see someone’s been told to f#*k off on this group - charming. People can disagree with others opinions but let’s not be horrible to each other. Everyone has made some valid point so, they may not have been articulated as well as others but nevertheless.

I see someone’s been told to f#k off on this group - charming*

Did you read why?

I think there is a certain amount of irony with posters stating that now these young men have been named, they may harm themselves or commit suicide. When it was these same young men whom had no issue naming students and threatening to rape/mutilate them.

If you don't like the potential consequences of making rape threats, don't make them.

Yy @pumpkin1976

I completely agree

It is interesting that all three recent cases are privileged humanities students at universities which are the second string for oxbridge applicants. One cannot help think that the Oxford interview process worked well to weed them out, but their privilege got them the grades needed for the Russell Group which doesn’t interview. The Exeter lit look like brothers of the Warwick lot.

www.thenationalstudent.com/Student/2017-10-05/st_andrew_s_bully_suspended_after_series_of_online_acid_attack_threats.html

thetab.com/uk/2018/03/20/named-and-pictured-the-men-behind-the-racist-exeter-group-chat-62740

If you don't like the potential consequences of making rape threats, don't make them.

This bears printing on the bags given to freshers.

I know some of the members of the chat group have been named but they weren’t necessarily the ring leaders/or made comments at all. I know some were punished for simply being members of that private chat group

If only all group chats had an “exit” button whereby you can leave a group if the content isn’t to your liking.

Except they didn’t, therefore they’re culpable too.

it’s important that this is understood as one of them had said they’d recently slept with a 14-year old

I hope the police are looking into this.

Vile shits. If nothing else, by posting all this hate online, they've shown that they're too stupid to be at uni.

I know some of the members of the chat group have been named but they weren’t necessarily the ring leaders/or made comments at all.

Hmmm, the only ones I’ve seen named/pictured were ones who did make comments, along with the screenshots of the comments they made.

I am interested into the reason for the vitriol and hatred from these men towards their female peers. It’s aleays one way young women don’t talk like this. I look at my own dds young beautiful talented elegant as I am sure the targets of this abuse are. Instead of admiring and adoring this that these men seek to destroy it. Why?

I am interested into the reason for the vitriol and hatred from these men towards their female peers

The ring leader was at a catholic private school which I think (I could be wrong) only admits women in the sixth form. Catholic misogyny is hardly news.

That plus grim incel shit on the internet and it’s a toxic mess.

The ringleader’s parents might make an interesting case study too.

"Most women have no idea how much men hate them."

As for the "I won't let my child attend Warwick" posts LMAO.
@cnamechanger You're missing the point. Of course if there are entitled, misogynist, racist shits at Warwick, there will be some in every uni. And of course a single email to Warwick, saying my DC won;t be applying now makes no difference.

But if hundreds of parents and potential students write, then those boys could be chucked out for good or refused re-entry until the people they wrote about have completed their studies. And if that happens, then other unis will also be vigilant and students with similar vitriolic tendencies will think twice.

If everyone shrugs and says, 'Boys' bantz eh? Happens everywhere. LMAO at anyone doing anything about it,' then the situation can't improve. But it can get worse. That's the whole point of direct action. Take a small stand against what you find abhorrent, and if lots of people make a similar stand, so it impacts on the reputation or financial prospects of the institution in question, then improvements can happen.

@ReflectentMonatomism I find it heartbreaking that one of the boys in the Exeter group was Asian and said he would lead the charge against his own race. That's a phenomenal level of self-hatred.

But maybe not that dissimilar to some of the women on here saying it's no big deal. Rape threats? Ignore it, they were only joking. Leave the boys alone in case their prospects get disturbed.

Reflect I know that school it’s local to us is mixed sex and very highly thought of. Expensive too so the family will be wealthy. My friend (female) went there and witnessed hideous bullying though that was years ago to be fair.