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AIBU to be frustrated by the sheer volume of bogus legal advice on Mumsnet?

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Ladyoftheloch · 30/01/2019 11:03

I am ceaselessly amazed by the amount of absolute tripe people spout about the law on AIBU, from people who clearly do not know what they are talking about and have no justification for the ‘advice’ they give.

People state as factual certainties every vague, half-formed belief they hold as though they’re practicing lawyers working in the field every day. I truly think some posters believe that because their opinion seems sensible to them, it must be the true legal position.

It’s wildly irresponsible, and people do it without giving any thought to the potential harm they could be doing by giving someone bogus advice.

There is a reason lawyers have to have degrees and professional qualifications. There is a reason they have to do a minimum amount of CPD every year. There is a reason they have to carry hefty insurance in case of mistakes.

So please, stop this nonsense. Stop starting sentences with the word ‘Legally...’ if you aren’t actually a lawyer practicing in the relevant field. Stop telling people what they are doing is legal or illegal. Stop insisting that everyone is entitled to half an hour of free legal advice as though it’s a human right. Stop confidently making proclamations about property disputes, wills, divorce, court procedures or whatever else based on your woolly sense of what you think is right. You have no idea of the harm and confusion you might be causing.

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otheractivities · 30/01/2019 13:54

The irony of people posting on this thread that other posts are incorrect , when they too have no legal training

Nicknacky · 30/01/2019 13:57

Green I’m not talking about good or bad advice and no, posters don’t have to reply but it’s rude of you to expect posters to give up their time on a forum because you don’t want to pay.

It’s different if you are asking a general question.

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 30/01/2019 14:02

otheractivities

You don't need legal to know some posters are wrong, you just need to do research from a reliable source for the basic stuff.

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 30/01/2019 14:04

Most of the advice is given in good faith, I hope, but that won't help the OP if it drops them in the shit.

Nayeds · 30/01/2019 14:05

I think it's wildly irresponsible to LISTEN to any legal advice on a internet forum.

daduck · 30/01/2019 14:10

I'm qualified and practice in a particular niche area of law.

I have professional indemnity insurance and everything Grin.

Anyone who takes advice from some random on the internet deserves all they get. If you want proper advice, you're going to have to pay for it and disclose much more than would be wise on an open forum.

Imtryingveryhard · 30/01/2019 14:13

It's the same on the Facebook group 'best the banks and bailiffs'. I am a a solicitor and gave some advice to a girl who was applying to have a default judgment set aside. She didn't even know what the judgment related to do I suggested she find out so she could draft a full defence to support her application. I was told by an admin this was wrong and got booted out the group. I hope she failed so a she realised their advice was dangerously wrong. That whole group needs shutting down as none of the admins are qualified solicitors and give out wrong advice to vulnerable people. Their insurance advice (which I speciAlise in) is particularly negligent.

Ladyoftheloch · 30/01/2019 14:15

Anyone who takes advice from some random on the internet deserves all they get.

I think it’s easy to say this, but sometimes the people looking for advice will be desperate and vulnerable and then it’s not as simple as saying they deserve what they get if they listen to what someone on the internet says.

You also see lots of posters who aren’t actually seeking legal advice and get heaps of bollocks about the law anyway!

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daduck · 30/01/2019 14:16

Mumsnet have a disclaimer on the legal board though don't they?

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 30/01/2019 14:17

What is moral , what is legal and what is fair ....
Not always the same thing

daduck · 30/01/2019 14:17

Dare I look at "best the banks and bailiffs" on facebook or will it be bad for my blood pressure @imtryingveryhard?

Ladyoftheloch · 30/01/2019 14:18

when they too have no legal training

Excuse you, I have heaps of legal training Grin

But also, you don’t need to be a lawyer to know when ‘legal advice’ is shite. For one thing, it’s pretty obvious when two posters are confidently asserting totally contradictory positions.

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daduck · 30/01/2019 14:18

What is moral , what is legal and what is fair ....
Not always the same thing

Totally agree with this.

Ladyoftheloch · 30/01/2019 14:20

Mumsnet have a disclaimer on the legal board though don't they?

Maybe they need one on AIBU as well! Or a pop up that asks everyone who types the word ‘legal’ Are you absolutely sure this isn’t, in fact, bullshit?

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Imtryingveryhard · 30/01/2019 14:20

@daduck only if you're brave. You have to answer a series of questions to join and agree that their admins are the font of all knowledge/never wrong. I dare you to challenge them!

GreenEggsHamandChips · 30/01/2019 14:30

I think it’s easy to say this, but sometimes the people looking for advice will be desperate and vulnerable

Yes this. Very many in real need will have no other access to legal advice.

My family law bill cost in excess of £20k (and still worked out barely any better than when i self represented after). How many people have access to this.

My first educational tribunal cost (with independent witnesses) near on £20k again. That was covered by legal aid. By the time i was facing my second educational tribunal, no firm i asked would even look at a legal aid case (eventually i was allocated a firm). Even then i had to manage the case through mediation.

How many of you saying people should pay for it and not ask online offer your services for free to those in need? Chances are you wouldnt even know who was in need because the only interaction you'll have with them is seeing they request for advice online.

So no i dont resent people asking and have respect those who offer advice (either from life experience or professional experience) for free.

daduck · 30/01/2019 14:35

I do pro bono work to charities actually. I don't charge for it - I pick the charities and give my advice and expertise for free. Draw up documents for them and act in a professional role for them.

I have 4 charities I work with, all in a specific area that I have a connection with.

I also offer advice where I can help to others who contact me - most of my work is with businesses, but I am currently involved in a situation involving a child where I am assisting in a personal capacity because I've been through similar and understand how to navigate the process, although it isn't directly related to my professional work.

Not all lawyers work in an area where it's usual to give advice to a member of the public, because of the specific area of law they work in, such as myself.

daduck · 30/01/2019 14:38

And that "how much do you do for free to people in need" that gets put out to lawyers on here all the time pisses me right off tbh.

My brother is an engineering director for a major firm. He earns more than I do. No one EVER has asked him how much he does for free FFS.

badlydrawnperson · 30/01/2019 14:43

YANBU - I suspect the law (as a subject for online debate) attracts more than its share of know-alls; but as previous posters have mentioned, they pop up in all areas.

GreenEggsHamandChips · 30/01/2019 14:48

Does he complain when people ask and receive advice for free though?

Thats the thing i don't resent for the slightest people who don't offer advice. But i dont think you can complain when people ask for help and receive it online.

Big shout out to the two posters in particular (collaborate a phr....) who regularly offer advice on family cases. Their advice is as good as any ive had in real life

daduck · 30/01/2019 14:49

People don't ask him for advice for free, not as far as I know.

Whereas as soon as people find out what I do they start telling me about this or that legal issue that they need help with and expect me to be able to advise them for free.

PerfectlyPetty · 30/01/2019 15:11

Yanbu op.

I’m a bank manager and I find the same about banking threads...people weigh in to tell others how to get payments refunded or what ‘protection’ they have from banks and what the FOS will do and so much of it is completely inaccurate!

It’s really dangerous.

jellygumboots · 30/01/2019 15:13

As a paediatrician I find it hard to see posts where I read it and think 'I bet your child has X diagnosis' and then not post that opinion. It feels a bit immoral to not give useful advice when that's what being a doctor is all about. But officially we're v discouraged from doing so eg GMC guidance is to only give advice with our full name and GMC number provided... And I believe I'm supposed to tell my medical indemnity company as well as my current job if I do want to give out free advice. (would have to look this up to be sure).

It's even harder if i think the child may have something serious which needs an early diagnosis, I have before now sent a PM.

Basically I just try and steer clear of these posts altogether!

But then there's all my real life friends and family asking advice,! What's this rash? -> blurry WhatsApp photo = tricky situation!

I know you lawyers are in a slightly different situation, but just thought was interesting to compare notes.

GreenEggsHamandChips · 30/01/2019 15:19

Whereas as soon as people find out what I do they start telling me about this or that legal issue that they need help with and expect me to be able to advise them for free.

Ahhh. Well thats real life. Its harder to ignore in real life....

But then I actually have the some experience of what you are talking about. DS is well known for his SN. Every since nursery i have been a mecca for any or everyone who was having issues with SN and tribunals. I wouldnt even really know them or otherwise talk to them theyd still come and ask me about therapy diagnosis statements EHCP. In the playground supermarket wherever. I'd go to a support group for support for me and 9 times out if ten end up signposting other people to better support.

If youre pushing a wheelchair out and about its not unusual for people to come up to you and ask about your chair or the foot muff.

I dont resent them for it. You cant exactly brush them off either because actually you know that they may have real need and you might be able to help a little. Your also a luttle greatful that on this occassion it isnt you in need of help and advice.

If its your job you can say "i dont talk shop on my days off" or "i could answer that but then I'd have to charge you".

I dont think its necessarily even personal. Sometimes its just people (clumsily) making connections.

daduck · 30/01/2019 15:22

But you said

How many of you saying people should pay for it and not ask online offer your services for free to those in need?

How many times have you asked your mechanic to fix your car for free?

Asked the baker to hand over that muffin for free?

Asked the hairdresser to do your colour free this week?

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