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Heating in winter!

104 replies

dbgirl · 29/01/2019 11:35

After 7 years of being together – and I know that as I write this, it will read extremely bizarre – but DH and I don't argue about life events, mother in laws, romance etc. We argue about...temperature!

Jokes aside, this is really getting us both down. For several years of our marriage, I have worn coats at home. It's only when friends visited and commented how cold it was in our home and if they could borrow jumpers, I began to be quite vocal about how much physical discomfort I am in at my own home after a long day's work. We've had arguments over my £12 tiny fan heater by my feet as he is very concerned that the electricity bill will shoot up if I use it up to an hour every day.

Fast forward to winter 2019 and we bought and refurbished a house, over the course of almost a year. Throughout the build, I wanted to ensure the house would be sufficiently heated through insulation and the right size radiators for every area, to the point of paranoia. Again, money came to the equation and even though I could very much afford it, DH simply put his foot down and did not want to get the right size or number of radiators and deterred me from overseeing builders when it came to insulation (we've subsequently discovered that most of our internal walls have no insulation at all - a building regs no-no that I am trying to resolve with the contractor).

So after promising that our new house would be efficient and different to our old house in terms of heating, it's turned out to be worse. Truthfully, I dread waking up these mornings as it's unbearably cold to the point I might as well be camping outside. The trouble is, DH grew up in cold weather and finds it invigorating so he simply won't have any of it and shouts at me to put on a jumper, when I'm in fact wearing 3. I am not even allowed to buy a tower fan heater for our bedroom. He wants to wait until next winter to 'save' and find more 'permanent solutions' (he did say this morning that he might try and get a new window for our bedroom next winter as it's the only one with single glazing - I find that's a positive step but most other rooms have double glazing, yet, they can't keep the heat in; we simply don't have the right insulation or number of heaters). I am trying my best to find innovative, cost-saving solutions that won't require breaking the bank or dreaded building disruptions but everything I say just turns into an argument.

I'm entering my third trimester and perhaps it's the thought of taking maternity leave and staying in this house an entire winter that is making me even more miserable. Neither of us like these daily arguments. Honestly, if I was just able to buy 1 cheap tower heater as a temporary solution and use it for half an hour in the morning and half an hour before going to bed, I would keep my mouth shut.

AIBU?

OP posts:
marvellousnightforamooncup · 29/01/2019 16:28

Send your DH to live outside if he likes the cold so much. And what a stupid false economy not insulating your home properly. Surely insulation is the key to lower bills.

You will have to keep your baby warm, no question.

TooManyPaws · 29/01/2019 16:33

Not putting in insulation is just bonkers. The ideal is to have so much insulation that you need very little heating.

Having said that, I'm in Scotland and have had broken heating for three years... I second/third/whatever the recommendation of a heated throw.

WhenTheSkyFalls · 29/01/2019 16:35

He sounds very controlling!
If you contribute to the bills then he will just have to compromise!
What an arsehole! Babies need warmth, is he going to put his child's welfare in jeopardy too cos he's too tight?

ShatnersBassoon · 29/01/2019 16:35

Regarding the (cavity wall?) insulation on your house - you said it's a renovation not a new build, so it doesn't matter if it isn't there right now. Thousands of homes in Britain don't have it. It wouldn't have been a requirement of your contractor doing work on the existing building.

ShatnersBassoon · 29/01/2019 16:36

If you contribute to the bills then he will just have to compromise!

He will also have to compromise if you don't contribute to the bills.

Nicebudget · 29/01/2019 16:36

Wtf. Your husband is not nice he is a massive horrible twat.it all sounded terrible then I saw you're pregnant and have been pregnant through this whole process. I mean seriously why are you with him?! Show him this thread. He needs to know he is not boss. If he likes the house at 15 and you like 25 you compromise at 20 etc. This is a marriage not a dictatorship. My lovely husband pandered to my every need when I was pregnant, he actually got a radiator installed in our tiny bathroom to make it nicer for me and then the baby when she came. I didn't even mention it! He is just a normal loving husband. You need to lay down the law this is awful. I would actually say this is a form of abuse especially as you're pregnant.

I also don't get how people go on about the cost of heating. We pay £95 per month in a drafty big 3 bed house (slowly improving it, won't always be drafty) for gas and electric. Less than our council tax each month. So for a normal working family with a mortgage heating should not be a cost to worry about to this extent.

Sort it out or leave.

Waytooearly · 29/01/2019 17:23

Yeah I don't understand people being miserly and miserable about heating. And not having insulation is nuts.

I mean if people are really struggling they can do things like just heat up one or two rooms, or use heated throws etc. But just expecting your partner to suffer? This is just awful.

CallMeVito · 29/01/2019 17:41

He will also have to compromise if you don't contribute to the bills.

that again and again.

As much as the idea of sharing household chores 50/50 is ridiculous when there's one SAH parent and one working full time, the heating/food/ medicine and other essentials are not split on a contribution basis!

whatsthecraic91 · 29/01/2019 17:56

He sounds like a fucking bellend.

KonekoBasu · 29/01/2019 17:58

@CallMeVito

"For what it's worth, it's cheaper to keep a mild house heated 24h a day, than shutting off the heating at night and blasting the radiators first thing in the morning."

That is a myth

Op is nbu though. I've lived in a cold house, it was horrible. Got things sorted as quickly as I could!

Aragog · 29/01/2019 18:12

No way would I be putting up with this.

I do not want to sit bundled and cuddled up in my own home.
I want to be able to wear a t shirt, and perhaps a thin jumper or cardis.
In the evening and at night I want to be able to wear my PJs happily before bed.
I don't like to wear socks and tights in the house - dry skin and psoriasis makes my skin catch uncomfortably on the material.
I'm most definitely not going to wear outdoor clothes in the house!

I have arthritis. Being cold makes my joints hurt - a proper physical pain. I have to take increased medication.

No one should be forced to be cold at home, especially when it is affordable to the householders.

A YouGov survey found that the ideal room temperature for the average British person is 21c.

The WHO says that a minimum of 18c is ideal for the average healthy adult but that the very young, elderly, sick or disabled will need it warmer - minimum 20c.

Above 24c could be a risk to health. 16-18c is likely to cause discomfort, and below 16c is also a potential risk to health.

CallMeVito · 29/01/2019 18:13

KonekoBasu
it's not a myth at all, I have tried! It probably depends on the building you are in to be fair, but it is very true in some.
I am sure I saw some articles stating that shutting off at night to save money was a myth too.

Not only is it cost effective to leave the heating on in my house, but it's also a lot more comfortable!

WetWipesGoInTheBin · 29/01/2019 18:15

Your husband's idea of saving money is a false economy. He should have got the place properly insulated plus the right size and number of radiators with thermostatic valves on them. That way you can turn individual radiators up when you are using a room and down when you are not. With decent radiators and insulation if you live in a terrace or flat then you use less heating.

While I do agree that you should be wearing a decent amount of clothes - and women's clothes tend to be thinner than men's - if you are wearing a decent number of layers then the heating needs to go on. Stop arguing with him and take action to keep yourself warm plus work out how you are going to keep the rooms the baby will mostly be in around 18c.

Sexnotgender · 29/01/2019 18:19

Fuck that!! Why does he get the final say?

I can sympathise with a cold house as I have an old house with single glazing. We spent quite a lot on nice curtains with thermal linings which makes a big difference as the windows are massive.

I’m also third trimester and he needs to be looking after you and making sure you’re comfortable. It sounds like he only really cares about his own wantsSad

Pickled0nion · 29/01/2019 18:19

If you can afford it why don’t you just go and buy the heater?

dementedpixie · 29/01/2019 18:20

For what it's worth, it's cheaper to keep a mild house heated 24h a day, than shutting off the heating at night and blasting the radiators first thing in the morning

This is only true if your house is well insulated and not draughty as you just lose all that heat to the colder outdoors. OPs house is not well insulated so would not be very cost efficient to leave it on all the time. In most cases it's cheaper to use a timer and a thermostat and have the boiler go on and off at set times

Jiggeriepokerie · 29/01/2019 18:33

I would not be having this discussion. Buy the right sized radiators online. If you have to, get a plumber/heating person in to fit them. One of our new radiators was delivered late. The heating man told me how to do it and I fitted it myself.

Monestasi · 29/01/2019 18:43

Ugh. I would never ever ever tolerate someone making me feel cold, the fact that you are pregnant makes this cruel IMO.

It also sounds like he has fucked up any chance of your home being properly heated.

I loathe feeling cold at home so this has made me angry on your behalf OP. I would actually be issuing an ultimatum.

nutellalove · 29/01/2019 18:55

This would drive me mad. I'd genuinely refuse to not feel warm in my own home. He's also incredibly selfish if he doesn't care that you are cold.

My old housemate used to do this- refused to put the heating on so wore 10 layers and a blanket. Would take the bus into town and sit in a cafe to feel 'warm' surely cheaper to just put the heating on?Hmm she was bizarre and was surprised when I moved out so quickly lol

Heronwatcher · 29/01/2019 19:19

OP YANBU, my parents argued about this and ended up divorced. You need to put your foot down and nip this behaviour in the bud before the baby arrives. I would be investing in as many heaters as you need and a few thermometers, and be making it clear that they will be turned on once the temperature falls below x for your comfort/ baby’s safety. If he fusses or refuses move out until he is begging you to return to a nice warm house! Giving him the benefit of the doubt perhaps he doesn’t realise that this borderline abusive and you need to make him understand. If he really finds it uncomfortable he can go outside or keep one room colder. In the long term I would also be saving to get the insulation redone and the radiators replaced as this will be cheaper if you intend to stay. Also have you worked out clear arrangements for a joint account when you are on mat leave (if not do it NOW and never, ever become financially dependent on him).

mabelchiltern · 29/01/2019 22:08

Choose 2 or 3 radiators/ heaters from Argos, get them delivered and arrange the house as you want it. This is a very important time in your life... never to be repeated... make sure you do this your way. Good luck!

LadyinLavende · 30/01/2019 10:44

@LegoPiecesEverywhere
@CallMeVito
The heating is on.... just not as much as it should be. We have big rooms so even if I turn the radiator thermostats up to maximum I would need to venture into the garage and tinker with the boiler to get it any warmer....
I suppose I was brought up to be thrifty and I sort of assumed it was me feeling the cold. I hadn't actually realised that it wasn't even 18°C in here.
I have just checked.... it's 16.9°.... no wonder my feet are blocks of ice.
Never mind, I'm going out to lunch with a friend so it will be warm in the restaurant and I will point out the actual temperature to DH when he gets home and get him to sort out the boiler.....

FrowningFlamingo · 30/01/2019 11:01

Who crowned him the King of Heating?! Hmm

OutPinked · 30/01/2019 11:03

If he’d fit proper insulation and an adequate heating system you wouldn’t even need to have this discussion. In failing to do so, you’re now going to have to spend more money keeping the place warm. He’s a controlling tight-fisted moron, honestly sounds like Scrooge... I couldn’t live like this. He reminds me of my abusive former step-father who used to count the biscuits in the packet to make sure I wasn’t ‘stealing’ any Hmm.

I would firstly ditch the husband then secondly buy all the heaters and electric blankets I needed. Babies need to be kept warm. Obviously not too warm as it’s a SIDS risk but the temperature at night should be 18-20 degrees.

NoSquirrels · 30/01/2019 11:03

Oil-filled radiators.

Turn the boiler up to whatever temperature you need it to be to make it 18C.

Find out as a matter of urgency what the builder will do to rectify the poor insulation that is not up to building regs.

THEN have a serious fucking discussion with your DH about how he has caused a shit-fuck of a problem by penny-pinching during the refurbishment, which has ultimately cost you much more in the long-run than a few extra radiators and decent insulation properly supervised. That it was a priority for you, and he disregarded it, and therefore has shown that he does not value you.

Get it sorted.

What will he be like with the DC when they're old enough to be annoying and leave lights on everywhere?

Adequate heating is not negotiable.