to be really shocked by this statistic?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636337/One-20-Britons-not-believe-Holocaust-took-place-study-finds.html

Apologies in advance that it’s a Daily Fail article, but one in 20?! Really?!

1 in 20 Brits in 2019 are Holocaust deniers?
It makes me feel sick to think there are people in this country who would be so ignorant.

@flowersonthewall

Not sure which war you’re referencing, but the second Boer war was over in 1902, and there were around 23,000 soldiers of the British Empire killed and about 80,000 returning home wounded or very ill. On the Boer side, about 6,000 killed in combat but over 45,000 civilian deaths, and over half were women and children.

Most of you won’t know this. Because it’s not a “popular” subject. There aren’t any remaining veterans, and going away to war was part of life then. The first and second Boer wars, the Crimean war....in the 18th century there were five major wars. There were scarcely any people in the British empire unaffected by war in their lifetime. And you bet there was genocide on a massive scale, but people don’t know about it because news took so long to travel then, and the class system was so firmly entrenched that there were things that some levels of society knew and others didn’t.

The coverage of the holocaust is unique in that we have photographic evidence, living people who spoke out to the world. We had radio, television, telephones.... we could see the pictures and hear the voices. This is the very first taste of genocide that most people will ever have known, and it’s so real and so tangible that it makes people uncomfortable and upset and frightened. Even many years later. There are people who cannot believe that this happened because it seems that humanity just took this huge, outrageous leap into this hellish practice because there had never been anything like it seen before. And it’s easy to deny because media can be manipulated and we know it. Governments can be duplicitous and dangerous and we know it. We, the little people, are lied to by those in charge and we all know it. It’s not difficult to see how those people have connected some dots and decided the holocaust was a hoax. They’ve connected the wrong dots, but they truly do think there is evidence and logic behind their thinking, and a large part of it is how something like the holocaust “never happened before or since.” But it did and it has. The only thing unique about it is the efficiency and organisation of it. Genocide fuelled by a belief in ones superiority and another’s inferiority is a tale as old as time.

Lavenderee I think you’ve got it spot on there.

How many people have a clue that six million people have died in a war going on in the DRC today?

"Most of you won’t know this. Because it’s not a “popular” subject."

I think it is because the current curriculum tends to concentrate on European history. When DD took GCSE history it mostly covered both world wars, a bit about Vietnam and a bit about 1920s America.

When I took (and failed) O level history we just did from the Industrial Revolution to the second world war, so we only covered Britain and Europe.

I admit to not having heard of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, but I do know there were uprisings in the 19th century in India and that our track record is rather tarnished as far as India is concerned.

I don't find it surprising - think of how so many people dismiss Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party: "well, the Tories are worse", "it's just a smear to damage Corbyn" etc

Look at how many people are still prepared to vote Labour despite this.

As Alan Dershowitz wrote last week, Hitler wasn't elected on Anti-Semitism, he was elected for his economic policies. We are prepared - correctly, in my opinion - to allow black people to identify racism, or Muslims to identify Islamophobia: but somehow, not Jews to define anti-Semitism. Of course there are people who identify as Jewish that say there's no left-wing anti-Semitism - there are also Muslims who say there's no Islamophobia in the UK.

So no, I'm not surprised at all. At my last university my School would have at least one open Holocaust-denier in every new intake. Mostly, it transpired, because they'd seen something on YouTube

Eggy, it was an interview with the brother, IIRC, the son and father were in a 'work' camp and the father was told he was being moved to Auschwitz, the son had building skills so was being kept where he was. He chose to go, knowing full well what would happen. Amazingly, the father and son survived and lived for many years after. There's a book about it, hence it being on last week.

"Look at how many people are still prepared to vote Labour despite this."

Probably because they would rather eat hair than vote Conservative?

Lonicera indeed. And Keir Starmer was prepared to allow thousands of young women to be denied justice than to risk being labelled as racist.

May I take this opportunity to give a plug for the TUSC as an alternative ?!

Probably because they would rather eat hair than vote Conservative? grin

There are other parties they could vote for apart from Conservatives and Labour.

Round where I live we get the choice between Lib Dem, Tory and Labour. I always used to vote Lib Dem until they sold us down the river by joining with the Tory party, so that just leaves labour. We don't even have a green party candidate.

Anyone listening to More or Less on radio 4 just now?

It seems it was the way the question was constructed. (To do with if respondents thought it was possible or impossible) When a clearly worded question was asked the holocaust deniers were just 2%.

Still, 2% is too many.
Those people need to give their head a wobble

According to Sky News, 26% of people think No Deal means No Brexit!
That's alright, then.

So are they for or against it Moby 😂

So are they for or against it Moby 😂

That's a good question. On a political forum I visit, the Brexiters are ardently against Mrs May, calling her a traitor for negotiating. They want Hard Brexit. They never mention No Deal- I suppose they think it would stop us leaving.

The 2% figure was for America. The way the survey was done was in this country also gave a false result, the estimated true figure was more like 0.25%

I'm also of the opinion that the public on the whole are bloody minded bastards who will click on the most ridiculous answer to a survey just for the shits and giggles.

See: Boaty McBoatface, people claiming to be Jedi on the census, and people saying Santa should be gender neutral, ride a hovercraft and deliver gifts using Amazon Prime. Not to mention the Brexit "protest voters".

If you idiots can't see that the "anti-semitism" in the labour party isnt a campaign to smear corbyn then I despair. Labour and all socialist parties have historically been jewish parties. All the russian revolutionaries were jewish, many of the leftist parties and leftist philosophers and thinkers since have been jewish. Corbyn is not an anti-semite. And as to the "holocaust denial" stuff. Look, you have to admit there is a problem when everybody throws their arms up about not being able to dispute a historical event. So what if people "deny"? Let them! Why should one particular historical event enjoy protection? And don't start with the fact of how horrific it was... plenty of other people on here have already pointed out the other genocides that history has forgotten. But yet, they just dont get reported....