to be really shocked by this statistic?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636337/One-20-Britons-not-believe-Holocaust-took-place-study-finds.html

Apologies in advance that it’s a Daily Fail article, but one in 20?! Really?!

1 in 20 Brits in 2019 are Holocaust deniers?
It makes me feel sick to think there are people in this country who would be so ignorant.

Yousign I am half Polish - my maternal grandmother is the sole survivor that we know of in the family. She was 11 years old in 1942, and took a well-timed trip to England with a cousin who had married an Englishman. The rest of her family (catholic poles) either dispersed, or were killed for being “Jewish collaborators” or part of the resistance movement. We know that her father and 2 elder brothers were arrested and shot - other than that it’s not clear where the rest of the family went.
For me, the holocaust is a massive part of my family history, so to think there’s people out there who deny its existence infuriated me beyond belief.

There is another thread on this here

My grandfather was Jewish and had to make a hasty departure from Germany with his family in 1933. The rest of the family were murdered by the Nazis. It happened alright

falcon5 do you listen to podcasts? There’s an excellent episode of behind the bastards on concentration camps. Disturbingly common.

The only person I’ve had real life experience of denying the holcaust was a 20something. It was weirdly shocking and I may have called her a vapid twat, which she is. I suspect it’s a mixture of it being farther back in history and general dickheadedness.

Also (not that I am not saddened by that statistic) the percentage of the UK who are aware of other atrocities is bound to be far lower still. Rwanda, Chechnya, Myanmar, There are so many incidences of genocide and a huge proportion of people live in blissful ignorance. It is shocking and sad that so many are unaware of this type of tragedy. I wonder what the actual percentage is of those who DENY (Ie think it is a lie) as opposed to those who are just unaware?

I used to know someone who was a full blown holocaust denier. His reasoning was something along the lines that there were pow camps and detainment centres but Jewish people weren't the majority to die in them and later they used it as a way to get what they want. Or something like that, very hard to understand or follow this way of thinking.

I'm a history teacher and this statistic doesn't represent the students I've taught. They've all been horrified when learning about the Holocaust. We've been lucky enough to be able to have a number if Holocaust survivors speak to students over the last few years, including a lady who was one of the Kindertransport children who spoke on Thursday at a local council ceremony that we brought students to. This is what most hits home to students - I've had more than a few conversations with colleagues about how much more challenging teaching the Holocaust will be once survivors aren't around to share their stories. It's sometimes too awful for students to truly comprehend it was real.

I was just talking abut this with my Dh and as time goes on surely less and less people will talk about it? For example the boar war which happened just 30 years before second World War...who knows how many people died in that war?
Who could forget the Great Pig War?

Half the population are of below-average intelligence
Including the person who wrote this post. Obviously doesnt understand the many ways to calculate average

SisterOfDon
I resent the fact that I share oxygen with someone who can think that way.
I’d love to round up holocaust deniers and make them visit Auschwitz.
I’ve been there. And it is honestly the most haunting, gut-wrenching place I have ever seen
There is a room in Auschwitz I that is just full of children’s shoes and has a glass case containing the clothes once belonging to murdered babies and toddlers
How anyone could deny such events after seeing the evidence is beyond me.

@mybreadiseggy
Without outing the place I live, my situation is similar to yours, but added to that we had a lot of ethnic tension with various groups, civil war and so on, within the last 40 years. I have a friend who works for the War Crimes Commission equivalent, and another responsible for the mass graves which appear every year or so. It really still is recent history.

@CallMeVito you can't compare than and now. Now it's ignorance. Then, there was no Internet, no instant videos showing it, rarely any picture, no live coverage. It was predominantly shared by word of mouth, especially in the beginning.

And yet I can almost guarantee that some whinger will be on here this week moaning that their little petal is far too young and innocent to be taught about things like the holocaust and they shouldn’t have to hear about nasty things like that
Education is key and now more than ever

YouSign do you live in a country that is part of the former Yogoslavia by any chance?

I know one too, Sister The 'logic' really doesn't make any sense. I think your understanding is probably as good as mine: it didn't happen cos more non Jewish people were killed than Jewish and so, despite the acknowledged fact that millions died, it wasn't a holocaust! Jews just use it as a way to blackmail the whole world.

He has a neat scientific way to prove the world is flat too (I kid you not). It has all sorts of clever sounding phrases but seems to rely on the fact that we can't see America from here cos it is a long way away, not because of the curvature of the Earth!

I hate him. I hate the way many people tolerate him, think he is just an amusing idiot. He isn't. He is a prolific fb'er and blogger who spouts vile and stupid shit with an air of such superiority that many people who don't know him try to debate with him, which only makes him more convinced he is right! They soon give up when it becomes apparent he doesn't have a basic grounding in any science! But he is utterly vile!

Yugoslavia

Stupid autocorrect

@hobknobs We had that "debate" last year here and it didn't go well. I had to leave the thread because it was so upsetting.

People just don’t believe anything anymore
Science proves the world is round not flat It proves vaccinations don’t cause autism
We did go to the moon - there’s ample evidence

But people choose not to believe
Even when we have actual proof of concentration camps eyewitness testimony from people who were there and are still alive
And physical proof ie the camps are there
People still won’t believe
People can be really stupid

That's one of the reasons why I so strongly disagree with changing books to make them politically correct to fit our ideas today.

The anti-semitism in literature used to be so strong, it's a very important part to understand what lead to the holocaust. We are not learning anything if you try to change history.

Half the population are of below-average intelligence
Including the person who wrote this post. Obviously doesnt understand the many ways to calculate average
And most people have an IQ of less than 100%!

Facts and objective evidence don’t seem to hold much weight anymore.
Climate change deniers, men who can switch sex, flat earthers.....no evidence but still they plough on.

CallMeVito I remember doing GCSE history and seeing uncensored anti-Semitic nazi propaganda poster/children’s comics etc and was totally disgusted and shocked by it even at the age of 15

It does seem a lot, but having strayed onto a pro-brexit Facebook group yesterday. Having spent ten minutes sat in shock about what people really thought was acceptable to say, how reason and looking at where said quote originated from wetter scoffed at, and more worryingly how the extreme right wing views were encouraged, I think I can, today, sadly believe it.

It's much more acceptable to say abhorrent things now than it was a few years ago.

Caveat: I am being hypocritical and haven't looked at where these figures came from, because I'm just on my way out, but quill do when I come back.

I heard this on the radio this morning and was shocked. I was discussing with my 14yo DS who has been studying WW1 &2 over the past 2 years at school. Last year he went to northern France and Belgium and visited the war graves with his history department and this Easter will be visiting Krakow again with the school history dept. He has a huge knowledge of the war that he has learnt at school and it has really affected him, I can’t understand how people who learn this history - with its extensive documentation and remaining sites- as part of their curriculum can believe and argue that it didn’t happen. Just shocking.

Id like to see the full results of the study.

So would I. And I have looked and cannot find what they asked to get this statistic.

I am very dubious that this figure truly means what they claim. I suspect a vaguely worded question and misinterpreted results.

Either that, or they were asking members of the David Icke forum for their opinions...

It’s probably like the surveys when they ask 5 year old where milk comes from and they say the supermarket- not because they don’t know that is comes from cows, but because that is where they go with their parents to buy milk. The newspapers report “children don’t know where milk comes from” when that isn’t true at all.

I would be fairly shocked if this survey had asked “do you believe the holocaust happened? Yes/ No” ....

It's in the guardian too so the stats isn't just a daily mail thing. It's really sad but with the rise of right wing politics across the world I'm unfortunately not surprised to hear it.