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Neighbour stole our woodland?

983 replies

TwittleBee · 27/01/2019 07:00

Our DGrandad left me and my sister his woodland when he passed away a few years ago. It isn't anything that special (as in its not protected and hasn't any distinguished species) but does have a TPO on a couple of trees. It is a place that my sister and I visit occasionally and thought that perhaps we could use it as a place to "wild camp" with the kids this summer for a few weekends. Even had insipiration from what George Clark created in a piece of woodland in his series Amazing Spaces and thought maybe one day with enough money we could do the same.

Anyway, we went down there this weekend to have a look to see if we could maybe clear a patch for a good tent destination, Thought it be good to do this now before everything starts flourishing in the spring.

To our shock it's all been fenced off and there has been some very obvious clearing of trees and shrubs! We knocked on the nearest house to ask what's happened to our woodland and the couple that lived there informed us that they have now taken it as their own and have started keeping it in order for past couple months. They said that it now makes our land legally theirs?

Obviously we shall be seeking legal advice but in the meantime, can what they claim actually be correct?

Just seems so unfair? Surely that would mean I could just fence off any land and claim it as my own?

OP posts:
greendale17 · 27/01/2019 14:01

Firstly seek legal advice to determine any legal recourse for damage caused and a strongly worded warning letter sent from the solicitors to the CF's. As soon as you can remove their fences and return to them, it is your absolute right to do so. I would then erect your own fences if possible as well as signs stating trespass is not permitted. Keep checking regularly, if there is a repeat of the situation, defer back the the solicitor.

^I would do this. You need to act ASAP

Racecardriver · 27/01/2019 14:01

@ministryofrevenge user name is quite apt. I love it!

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 27/01/2019 14:04

I would also do some research and DIY first

Then legal

It’s unfair You have to spend money on this

Xenia · 27/01/2019 14:15

We had a neighbour fence the council owned public verge a few years ago. Another neighbour had a clear document from the council from years before saying that was the council's land and indeed the deeds show that so we were able to get the council to make him take down the bit of fencing and take his garden back to his proper border.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/01/2019 14:20

This is shocking op! Of course they can’t steal your land. Agree with getting a load of people to pull their fence down and charge them for the time and work, bastards.
Keep us posted on the legal side.

ChrisjenAvasarala · 27/01/2019 14:25

The council stole some of my land. I was landscaping my front garden and drive (very big, and long drive curves round so there's an in and out onto the road with no pavements; just a country road). Getting it all resurfaced and what not.

The council were also redoing the road, and asked me if I could not resurface right up to the edge, as they were pulling up the edging and redoing it and they would need to put right any damage but if I was redoing mine anyway, then it would save them a job. So I had my workmen stop the surfacing around 4 feet away from the road on either side of my drive, and they would come back and finish once the council was done. So I had mostly monoblock, and then 4 feet of the old pebbles at each end of the drive. Went away for work, came back to see the council had removed all my peoples and tarmacced all the way up to my monoblock and also put curbed edging stones coming up along my walled drive to touch the monoblock, so they had removed the straight edging stones they previously had (which had been level with their tarmac and my pebbled drive) and replaced it with curved ones going up onto my property and justbl tarmacced my drive. Had to have a big argument with them because they stole 8 feet of driveway from me. They do eventually come and remove the curved stones, and sort it out so my monoblocking could be finished but they initially asked if they could just keep it.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/01/2019 14:33

may I ask how you do the historical images thing on Google Earth please? I've just tried, on Google Earth, and not managed to find it.

I think you need to download Google earth pro (which is free) then

support.google.com/earth/answer/148094?hl=en

AlpacaLypse · 27/01/2019 14:43

@userschmoozer and @DareDevil223 and @PutYourShirtOnMartin something on the lines of the virtual festival we organised here

CheekyFuckerFest 2019?

YouCanCallMeJodieWho · 27/01/2019 14:46

People are staggeringly greedy.

PutYourShirtOnMartin · 27/01/2019 14:47

I can bring a gazebo and some biscuits for cheese

SawnUpLooRoll · 27/01/2019 14:49

Round-up of advice posts from PP who have stated to have legal or sector experience, for OP’s use. Hope it helps:

Eloisedublin123
Surveyor here. They need to be prove they have been using the land for 12 years to make a claim. Or walking through it as a shortcut etc for 20 to claim the right to continue to do that.

AdaMcGrath
Hi, I’m a former property litigator (moved practice because I couldn’t take this kind of CFery any more!)

You need a property litigator to look at this. The timeframe you’re talking about means they can’t have acquired title to the land. The amount of time needed is a bit more complex than others have set out and it depends on whether the land is registered at HM Land Registry or not and whe; it was registered there.

The fence is their property come what may. The advice would usually be send a letter with copy evidence of your ownership and tell them they are to remove the fence within x days (say 14 but it depends on how much fence there actually is and you need to appear reasonable should it ever end up in front of a judge). If they don’t remove the fence you do it making sure you don’t damage it and then put it back on their land. I’d then erect your own fence to make it clear where the boundaries are.

You’ll also need the solicitor to check the trees subject to the TPO. It you might be able to get that information yourself if you phone the local authority and explain what’s happened. Lots of photographic evidence is always really helpful.

Finally your Solicitor’s letter will be making it clear that if you have to bring enforcement action that they will be liable for the costs of that.

Hope that’s helpful.

Annoyance
There's a lot of urban myths surrounding adverse possession. Way too many people seem to think that if you use some land or buildings for 12 years then you automatically receive a certificate in the post with a congratulatory letter and then you'll live happily ever after. It doesn't work like that. You have to go to court and prove everything and do a load of legal paperwork, and prove that you genuinely couldn't find out who owned the land. It's rare for that to happen with registered land because anyone can go online and do a Land Registry search. The owner of the land needs to be contacted and the thief has to prove that they genuinely couldn't get in touch. It does still happen sometimes but it's way more difficult than a lot of people seem to think.

itssadsometimes
Great advice here.(lawyer).
The only person who can screw this up is you if you try to be nice.
Solicitor tomorrow. And do what they say. Do not DIY

hotchocy
They absolutely can not claim your land as theirs. They would have to occupy it for 10 years unnoticed by you, and then during the application process to register it in their name you would be contacted and would have 2 years to respond and eject them from the land.

Firstly seek legal advice to determine any legal recourse for damage caused and a strongly worded warning letter sent from the solicitors to the CF's. As soon as you can remove their fences and return to them, it is your absolute right to do so. I would then erect your own fences if possible as well as signs stating trespass is not permitted. Keep checking regularly, if there is a repeat of the situation, defer back the the solicitor.

I have been working in land for 10 years so while not able to give legal advice I'm telling you what I have done for others in your situation.

EnglishRose13 · 27/01/2019 14:49

I can bring a jellybean tent and a really cute dog?

RandomMess · 27/01/2019 14:58

If only the CF had waited another 4 years!!!

I hope you get is sorted cheaply.

woollysocksforwinter · 27/01/2019 14:59

Excellent posy SawnUpLooRoll

I can't believe the CFery of these people.

WiddlinDiddlin · 27/01/2019 14:59

RandomMess - they'd need to wait almost 12 years, its only been since November that they have fenced it and been maintaining it, not since the OP's relative died.

Cocolepew · 27/01/2019 15:01

omg! People never cease to amaze me.

RandomMess · 27/01/2019 15:09

I'm sure they will claim they have been maintains it for the 8 years...

LakieLady · 27/01/2019 15:26

If I recall correctly there was a rather sad end to that - the neighbours work was so poor that the whole wall came down, also damaging the OPs house so she was not able to live there sad. Hopefully I have misremembered

I'm afraid not. The last update posted (afaik) was about having to move out, complex legal wrangling and possibly not getting any response from the registered owners (I could conceivably be conflating 2 threads here).

I often think of the OP and wonder if it's resolved yet.

LakieLady · 27/01/2019 15:28

If CheekFuckerFest19 goes ahead, I can bring a motorhome, a lovely dog and several sacks of artisan charcoal for the barbie, handmade by my own DSS.

And beer, wine and food, of course.

AlexaAmbidextra · 27/01/2019 15:52

MagicKeysToAsda that was one of my favourite threads! I believe the council took action to remove the french doors. Don't know if they tracked down the neighbour and made them pay though. Maybe that thread is in classics?

That thread was a work of fiction. The poster was a troll. ☹️

SoupDragon · 27/01/2019 15:53

I thought that

marvellousnightforamooncup · 27/01/2019 15:56

What the whole french doors/Span Gran multiple thread saga was a troll?

AlexaAmbidextra · 27/01/2019 16:00

What the whole french doors/Span Gran multiple thread saga was a troll?

Apparently so. She kept it going for ages. I’m amazed that these people have the time or inclination tbh. Pitiful.

MrsSchadenfreude · 27/01/2019 16:00

Oh no! I was sucked in by the French doors/Span Gran one! And it was a troll? 😕

MrsSchadenfreude · 27/01/2019 16:02

I posted on that one because my Gran has something similar /?her neighbors climbed out of the bathroom window to access her garden with their ids and a padding pool!