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To think NHS gp's should work like NHS dentists

182 replies

Gaballout · 25/01/2019 15:19

It's so hard to get an appointment. Why don't GPS run like the NHS dentist to stop time wasters and people not showing up.

So charge people a small amount for an appointment and if you're poor you don't pay (just like NHS dentists).

The NHS is under funded and tax rises they just won't bring in. This could bring in millions a year and there's no outcry about NHS dentist costs.

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Badbadbunny · 25/01/2019 20:01

About 90% of prescriptions are issued without charge, presumably begcause the majority are for children and pensioners.

And those on working tax credits, and those with specific long term health conditions such as diabetes and cancer. There really aren't that many people left who have to pay - basically workers with half decent jobs, so just another tax on workers really!

Bluelady · 25/01/2019 20:03

No, a benefit for the most vulnerable.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 25/01/2019 20:11

@pandechocolate have you looked into the pre payment card?

It is a monthly set charge and works out significantly cheaper if you have numerous prescriptions.

PQ77 · 25/01/2019 20:21

YANBU. There should be a charge but free for low incomes or chronic health conditions

PQ77 · 25/01/2019 20:25

Oh, and free for children too. Works well in NZ

Bluelady · 25/01/2019 20:27

What would it achieve when hardly anyone would pay it?

VioletCharlotte · 25/01/2019 20:37

Why do you think there are so many people walking around with awful teeth? Do you not think it may be because they can't afford to go to the dentist? Even the 'small' amount of £25 (or whatever a check up is now) is too much for many people to pay.

AnoukSpirit · 25/01/2019 20:44

If you'd read any research into the reasons why people miss appointments you'd know part of it is poor administration, part of it is the length of time it can take for the appointment to arrive so matters have resolved or been forgotten, part of it is issues like transport, childcare, time off work, and a lot of it is that people feel disrespected by the healthcare system and therefore feel no obligation in return.

Disrespected because the deliberate overbooking means they always wait for ages (which further adds to the idea that it makes no difference whether they formally cancel an appointment or not), because of difficulties getting an appointment on a timely basis, because of poor provision, because of turning up to receive test results and finding they're not ready or haven't been chased, etc etc etc...

If the NHS wants to change the levels of missed appointments then it needs to address its own responsibility for the problem too instead of making it out to be about lazy/selfish/ungrateful time wasters. To a significant degree, the problem of missed appointments is of the NHS's own making.

I always cancel appointments I can't attend. Does my hospital have the competence to record that I cancelled it? Nope. I've had to contact them repeatedly just to try and make sure my cancellation is processed, because I know from past experience they are hopeless. It's fucking ridiculous and wasteful. If they don't record that I called them three times to cancel an appointment, they'll presumably record it instead as a no-show. Incompetence doesn't leave that much of a paper trail in such a scenario.

Calculations of the supposed cost of missed appointments is something of a nonsense too.

tinytreefrog · 25/01/2019 20:48

No it should definitely be free. There are many many people who do not qualify for free dental treatment, but for whom money is very tight. It would just put them off going to the doctors when they really need to. Its bad enough prescriptions are so expensive.

cptartapp · 25/01/2019 20:50

As a practice nurse I see people every day with chronic health conditions. Smokers and heavy drinkers or those who neglect their health for example, who have high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, COPD, etc etc. So they would all be exempt?! Unworkable and unfair. The same squeezed middle would subsidise everyone else. And the wealthy pensioners would be in uproar.

Drogosnextwife · 25/01/2019 20:58

Ah I see you want to punish people with illnesses that require a lot of visits to the doctors or elderly people etc. Sounds good! Hmm

Badbadbunny · 26/01/2019 08:48

If the NHS wants to change the levels of missed appointments then it needs to address its own responsibility for the problem too instead of making it out to be about lazy/selfish/ungrateful time wasters. To a significant degree, the problem of missed appointments is of the NHS's own making

Well said - if NHS want to put up silly signs about missed appointments in waiting rooms, patients should be allowed to give them a card with your post to put up in their offices to make them think about their part!

Missed appointments are as much down to NHS inefficiency and poor practice as patients. But it's all part of the new NHS mantra of patient blaming!

Flooffloof · 26/01/2019 11:26

Thinking about this a bit more.
Charging leads to a mindset that requires a better service.
And of course waiting 20/30/40 minutes past your appointment time on a regular basis is not a great service.
And then do patients get a refund in whole or in part of the fee?
I rarely wait long at my dentist, am usually seen on time, but I pay him money (I am private but its an nhs dentist) and if I had to regularly wait I would find another dentist or be asking for reduced fees.

TheHoundOfWinchester · 26/01/2019 11:30

Not they as yet so just replying solely to OP. We as a family are considered above the threshold for any help with dental costs, die too this I can rarely afford to actually visit the dentist.
I have a lifelong neurological condition so I'm at the GPS quite a lot. If it were ran like the dentist I wouldn't be able too afford to go. So where would that leave me and others in the same financial situation as myself?

howabout · 26/01/2019 11:42

Charging leads to a mindset that requires a better service.

My Grannie was old enough to have been brought up without the NHS. Her attitude was very much that the Doctor was paid to provide a service (whether through tax or her paying directly). She did not see them as in any way doing her a favour.

Notajourno · 26/01/2019 11:59

What about people who earn slightly above the threshold for free appointments but has chronic illness.

You will just end up with people going to A&E when the problem gets too severe.

ethelfleda · 26/01/2019 12:33

I agree, OP. I’d be happy to pay a nominal amount for an appointment.

Bamchic · 26/01/2019 12:34

Yabu my husband has been on the NHS dentist waiting list for four years..
Just no.

Racecardriver · 26/01/2019 12:38

Absolutely but British are very entitled and think they deserve everything for free so it’s not going to happen. They would rather have something shit so long as it’s free rather than paying a reasonable sum and getting a reasonable service.

HoliestGoat · 26/01/2019 12:42

I don't think all appointments should be charged but I'd happily pay for the privilege of an evening appointment.

pigsDOfly · 26/01/2019 13:35

How is it free Racecardriver. I, like millions of other people have paid NI contributions all my working life.

It certainly isn't free for working people, just free at the point of use.

That's how the NHS works.

Cornettoninja · 26/01/2019 13:39

racecar don’t talk such shit.

Jackshouse · 26/01/2019 13:40

What happens when you are misdiagnosed? I have had many appointments for a condition I was later correctly diagnosed with and had an emergency operation. I just shrugged my shoulders and thought it was one of those things. If I had spent lots of money on those appointments onto of the awful pain I had to endure I may not have reached in such a way.

Badbadbunny · 26/01/2019 14:13

British are very entitled and think they deserve everything for free so it’s not going to happen.

What a load of crap you talk. The NHS isn't FREE - people paying tax and NIC are paying for it. It's the "it's free" attitude within the NHS staff that cause the crap service levels and prohibit improvements that would enhance the patient experience. If there was a choice, the NHS would have fallen by the wayside years ago. I absolute abhor the NHS attitude of "it's free so you should be grateful" crap spouted by NHS staff.

Gaballout · 26/01/2019 14:38

I don't think entitled is the right word.

But lots of other countries with far better health services have fees and people themselves say it works better.

Something needs to change with the NHS, and don't say tax Amazon more

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