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AIBU or is DH re. DS’s hobby

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 22/01/2019 10:09

Interested in getting some perspectives on this. Our DS is 10. Since the age of 5 he has been taking part in a sport as a hobby. It involves training on a Saturday and a competitive match on a Sunday during the season. For 5 years he has shown quite admirable commitment to this but over the past year or so he has been losing enthusiasm for it. I should also add that I wouldn’t say he is hugely talented at it...he’s decent and he gets enjoyment from it and likes the social side of it. However, we’ve noticed that he doesn’t always want to go to his training or he’s not putting enough effort into the competitions. He’s lost the passion for it and he admitted this to us about a year ago.

DH’s response to this was that he needed to spend even more time doing it, to practice more and to reignite the passion. So he started practising with DS in the garden and at the park at whatever opportunity they could get. Initially I was pretty supportive of this and DS was enjoying spending that time with his Dad, sometimes his performance in his hobby would improve a bit but it was very up and down, but it was still very clear that the passion for it had gone.

DH has been getting frustrated by it in recent months (he’s taken to taking DS to pretty much all of the training and matches whereas we used to take it in turns). He often comes back annoyed that DS has not put enough effort it and hasn’t done very well. Two weeks ago he ended up having a bit of a go at him about it that he (DH) is putting a lot of his own time into practising with him and supporting him but DS doesn’t put the effort in.

It ended up with DS admitting that he want to stop his hobby. I told him that if ha’s what he wants to do then that’s ok, after all hobbies are meant to be fun and something you really love doing. I also said that it would give us an opportunity to try something new and find something that he does feel passionate about. He seemed up for this and we talked about some things that he might like to try. DH however was very quiet. He later said to me that I gave him a very negative message that ‘quitting is ok’ and keeps saying “I’m not having a quitter for a son”. He’s now talking more and more about spending even more time doing this hobby! This seems ridiculous to me. He’s 10 years old and has been committed to his hobby for 5 years. Now he wants to try something new because he’s decided that the sport he discovered at the age of 5 isn’t his passion. I’m getting frustrated with DH’s attitude because I feel that by spending all his time doing a hobby that he’s not passionate about, we’re holding him back from finding the thing he is passionate about! But DH has got a bee in his bonnet about him being a quitter.

Who is being unreasonable?

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 22/01/2019 11:46

Ah I thought it would be about being one of the football Dads. very much a thing with DS's team. I do think some of the less enthusiastic lads are only dragged along so that the Dads can have a good gossip on the touchline and go to the pub together once in a while.

I agree with what a poster upthread said; your DH needs his own hobby. Or he needs to connect with his footballing friends outside of your DH playing for the team.

arethereanyleftatall · 22/01/2019 11:46

I think Your husband is wrong.
I'm doing the opposite with my dc.
I'm introducing them to every activity under the sun that is logistically possible, in the hope that they find a real passion for something that will keep them out of trouble when they're teens. They can quit anything they don't like, after the term/season is finished. (Then revisit if they want to).
Daily exercise is a non negotiable though for me, but I don't mind which exercise class they choose.

LannieDuck · 22/01/2019 11:52

Totally agree with you, OP. Hobbies should be enjoyable.

If DH wants to carry on doing the sport himself, he's welcome to.

lily2403 · 22/01/2019 11:55

DH IBU. Hobbies change throughout our lifetime.

DH maybe disappointed and had hopes of DS doing hobby professionally

mumofone2019 · 22/01/2019 11:57

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PBobs · 22/01/2019 12:00

I see kids really struggle day in and day out with parents who call them quitters or accuse them of giving up or don't let them make their own decisions about pretty mundane stuff. Would framing it as he's changed his mind (he needs something to move on to) rather than quit help at all? It's how I try to pitch it to parents and kids when there's a conflict like this.

roundturnandtwohalfhitches · 22/01/2019 12:00

I have a 10 year old boy and there is definitely part of them that might say they want to quit something because they just can't be arsed. This isn't your son though. He's tried without complaint and he's still not happy. That's a veryadmirable thing. It's now an opportunity to find the hobby he loves and maybe exceptional at. My son goes to a drama group on a Saturday morning. I never wanted to be a would-be thespians mother but he's absolutely loves it. He muts get his acting skills from me as I should win an oscar for my enthusiastic support.

BertrandRussell · 22/01/2019 12:03

Please don’t say “hobby”- it’s incredibly annoying!

Might your dp enjoy joining the coaching team at the football club and help with other young players? My dp found this incredibly rewarding, and is still doing it even though ds has given up club football.

It’s important to remember that once they get to 10/11, competitive sport gets more serious and doesn’t suit some children. Ds used to love rugby, but hated it and gave up very quickly when he got to secondary school. Many of the kids in his football club did the same.

Jux · 22/01/2019 12:06

I absolutely love GemmeFatale's response. You simply must say that to your dh - perhaps less contentiously Grin - but it's perfect!

CatnissEverdene · 22/01/2019 12:12

My DC regularly changed hobbies.....the only rule was that they had to see a term out if I'd paid for it. I think down time is just as important as hobbies to be honest, and if he doesn't want to do it, don't make him. Why doesn't DH find a team he can play for himself if he's that into it?

StreetwiseHercules · 22/01/2019 12:13

Your husband sounds like an utter cock. If the boy is no longer enjoying the hobby he shouldn’t be pressured or forced to continue. Especially as it sounds like he has given it a good go.

When I was frowning up, playing in boys’ football teams some of the dads were a nightmare. Shouting and bawling at their kids from the sidelines and giving them a really hard time if they didn’t play week.

These were just really sad men trying to relive their youths vicariously through their sons. Normally they had a sob story of how they “could have made it” as professionals “but injury, work sacrifice, blah blah blah”.

Sad bastards.

Jux · 22/01/2019 12:14

@BertrandRussell out of interest, what's wrong with calling it hobby?

amyboo · 22/01/2019 12:22

Blimey - 5 years is a good commitment for a hobby at that age if you ask me. With my eldest (9) I've always said that he has to see out the period I've paid for (usually a year). He's done a couple of things that lasted only a year, but a couple of things that he's been doing for 3-4 years. There's no point forcing a child to do a "hobby".

newnameforthis7 · 22/01/2019 12:22

I know several men like this who had a hobby they are/were obsessed with, and they pushed their sons into it - footie, ice hockey, swimming are 3 examples, and when the lads got to 10-11 y.o, they decided against it.

One bloke I know is EXACTLY like the OP's DH. A bully basically. Forcing their son into HIS HOBBY, that he clearly failed to turn into a career, and pissing and moaning because the son no longer wants to do it.

What a twat. Your poor son. Sad

newnameforthis7 · 22/01/2019 12:24

@StreetwiseHercules

Your husband sounds like an utter cock. If the boy is no longer enjoying the hobby he shouldn’t be pressured or forced to continue. Especially as it sounds like he has given it a good go.

When I was frowning up, playing in boys’ football teams some of the dads were a nightmare. Shouting and bawling at their kids from the sidelines and giving them a really hard time if they didn’t play week.

These were just really sad men trying to relive their youths vicariously through their sons. Normally they had a sob story of how they “could have made it” as professionals “but injury, work sacrifice, blah blah blah”.

Sad bastards.

All of this. Well said!

InAPreviousLife · 22/01/2019 12:25

CoffeeChocolateWine a further point I'd get your DS to agree to is to try his best every week for the sake of his team, rather than just treading water to get to the end of the season. It's not fair on his team mates to have someone just ambling along because they've agreed to play to placate a parent.

At 10 he's on the cusp of the 'hobby' my guess is rugby by the fact it's in season and played on a Sunday morning ramping up a gear. The leagues become competitive and more serious, plus the rule easing reduces so there's more contact or stricter rules on tactics so now is the time to dip out if he's not enjoying it much.

Your DH is being a bit ridiculous really, mine has the same underlying problem that he doesn't see a child playing sport as an active hobby. He genuinely thinks you only play if you have serious ambitions to 'make it' in the sport. It's taken 2 years for him to realise DD1 is actually happy being an average footballer and that she plays for fun and for the social side of things. He's backed off with the pressure to always be amazing now thankfully which means she's enjoying even more!

Sethis · 22/01/2019 12:25

Ask your DH:

"Why was our son doing this hobby?"

And apart from 'to keep fit' or 'to keep him off the streets/away from a screen' then the biggest reason - the number one bullet point - should be "Because he enjoys it".

If he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't do it. That's the difference between "Hobby" and "Work".

If necessary, as other PPs have illustrated, point out the difference between outgrowing something and quitting. You can only be a 'quitter' if you have a specific goal and you decide you don't want to achieve it any more. If your son did not have a specific goal when doing this hobby e.g. to join a top-tier team, or to score 50 goals this year or whatever, then it's not quitting. It's stopping. There's a difference. And it's not like we lock in our hobbies at the age of 5 and then never change. How boring would your life be?

StreetwiseHercules · 22/01/2019 12:26

“I don’t want no quitter for a son”

Does your DH have a moustache and wear double denim by any chance? Does he think he is in an American tv drama series?

newnameforthis7 · 22/01/2019 12:26

This type of man who forces his hobby on his son, is the male equivalent of the 'soccer mom' or 'stage mom,' Wink

Dreadful!

WhyDontYouComeOnOver · 22/01/2019 12:52

Your DH is a nasty bully.

I feel so, so sorry for this poor child.

Passing4Human · 22/01/2019 13:02

You are totally right OP and your DH is being a bit of a dick about this particular issue.

I agree with someone else in that what your son has decided is not quitting - it's "changing your mind". It's a ridiculous idea that because a parent signs you up for something (in my case that'd be Highland Dancing! I was terrible) when you are a wee tot, that you should carry on with that until adulthood or else you're some sort of failure.

I also think that learning that it's ok to say no and quit something that you aren't enjoying is a valuable life lesson and helps with things like assertiveness, self-confidence and self-belief.

I thought that this was a really great idea for your DH:

BertrandRussell Tue 22-Jan-19 12:03:43

Might your dp enjoy joining the coaching team at the football club and help with other young players? My dp found this incredibly rewarding, and is still doing it even though ds has given up club football.

TeddybearBaby · 22/01/2019 13:19

My husband and I are / were having the same argument about my 12 year old. He doesn’t want to play football any more. Doesn’t enjoy it. He wants to try something else. My husband said he’s made a commitment which must be honoured and that he can leave at the end of the season, my son said ok and doesn’t really moan but every week it’s clear he doesn’t really want to go and I think what a waste! My sister said why not tell the manager that he’s not happy and can they just let us know if he’s needed for a game and we’ll be there. He’s ok atm so I think I’ll juat leave it for now.....

Since starting secondary school he’s tried new sports and is really happy - made new friends and is a real joy to be around.

My husband has seen this and is now more laid back, saying he was being selfish by wanting him to stay at the football. He said he’s the one who became attached to it, he likes the other parents and the commarderie but says he wasn’t thinking of DS but can see he was wrong. He accepts that sometimes he misses training to play for the school in his new sport. He is also worried that my son is going to miss it and change his mind but I told him that’s for him to find out for himself.

Sounds like your husband wants the best for your son and isn’t going the right way about it. I think we have to let them go a bit and make their own choices. If they turn out to be mistakes then so be it. We’ll always be there for support 💐

TeddybearBaby · 22/01/2019 13:21

Oh and just to add my son doesn’t mind going now because he said ‘he’s going out in a blaze of glory’ 😂

SushiMonster · 22/01/2019 13:26

Mum and dad let me try loads of stuff. I climbed for a few years. Gave it up when I stopped enjoying it.

After a 20 year hiatus... started back climbing again two years ago and am loving it again.

CoffeeChocolateWine · 22/01/2019 14:36

Oh dear. Wishing I could rewrite my OP as I have given the totally wrong impression of my DH. There really is no need to “feel so, so sorry for this poor child”. He is so loved by both of us and is a very happy and confident boy. I also want to stress (as I realise I haven’t made this this clear), DH has NEVER EVER voiced the ‘I’m not having a quitter for a son’ thing to our son. He has confided this to me, his wife, when we have had one of our many conversations about what the right thing to do is. Two weeks ago was the first time he had a conversation with DS where he expressed his frustration that we dedicate a lot of time to it, both training, matches and his spare time, and then watches him in a match not doing very much and not really getting involved in the game.

Oh and yes it is football. I used the word hobby as I didn’t think the actual hobby bore any relevance to the issue. Someone upthread commented that a 5yo doesn’t choose their hobbies, but I can assure you that our DS chose this. When he was 5 he watch the football World Cup (or similar) and was totally inspired. He started having a kick around with friends and a teacher in school and fell in love with it. He begged us to take to a football club so we did.

I also want to clarify that he is not a ‘typical football Dad’. He hates those Dads/parents and is usually the person to tell others to pipe down if they are shouting inappropriately at a bunch of children. One of the things he worries about is that it is the increase in competitiveness in the children and parents at this age that is spoiling our DS’s enjoyment of it and doesn’t want him to give up for the wrong reasons. He feels that DS shouldn’t have to stop something he has enjoyed for such a long time just because he’s not a star player.

My DH has never played football...he was more of a rugby players is not living out his dream through our DS, but has actually joined a Dad’s football group and plays once a week so that he can play with and have something to bond over with our son. He also has no illusions about our son becoming a pro...he’s very realistic that he’s not the best player, but doesn’t want him to give up something he enjoys for this reason.

It’s worth also saying that DS does have form for being a bit defeatist when he’s not brilliant at something. Like if practising his guitar and he’s having trouble he will get annoyed and walk away, or school work. We don’t compare but we also have a 6 yo DD who is absolutely tenacious and it is a quality to be admired about her. DS is the opposite. But I have stressed to DH that after 5 years I can’t see it as giving up or quitting.

I liked what someone upthread said...that he’s not quitting, he is changing, growing and evolving. I will use this Smile. Thanks for all the comments.

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