About the woman who gave birth at Warren St Station

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46908685

AIBU to think that this type of shit is getting worse?

Glad to hear that Mum & Baby are well but wtaf is wrong with people?

Transport for London staff had provided them with some privacy by holding up a blanket protecting the mother from onlookers who walked past and started filming

Really? What actual thought process happens that someone sees a woman giving birth in a public place and their first thought is to get their fucking phone out and film her??

I despair of my fellow humans sometimes I really do.

I think that's reasonable, Alpaca, but you'd be in the minority for doing it for those reasons.
Even people who have dashcams for perfectly legit reasons often end up putting "exciting" footage on social media.

To give a different perspective, as reading social media can be soul destroying! -

I've been on a fair few trains and things where people have keeled over and others have helped.

Dwelling on the times they don't is just depressing. Which I'm starting to do now!

After the armed robbery at Argyle Arcade in Glasgow (it’s filled with jewellers) done people had filmed it. A smart arse was on Facebook saying ‘oh you see an armed robbery and rather than try to stop it you start filming!’ Erm yeah i’m not getting in about an armed gang...,i’ll send my footage to the police though.

I was caught up in the Liverpool Echo Car Park fire last year. The fire report was recently published and it came to light that many people stood filming the fire rather than calling 999 or attempting to fight the fire. Had people used their phone to call emergency services instead of to film a lot of damage (and the lives of some dogs) could have been saved.

The only saving grace is that the footage can be used in the investigation.

I wonder if there is some kind of weird psychological thing going on

Where looking at the thing through the phone screen gives the distance as if you were watching it on telly or internet

Sort of divorcing you from what is happening

That doesn't explain why people's first instinct is to film it thouhg

Ones that get me is video thats clearly on a phone not cctv. Of some old people fighting robbers muggers etc. Seems to be a real trend atm on social media. I think ok they have handled the situation. But jow can u just stand there and film some old woman fighting for her handbag or simular 😡

Dancinfeet thank heavens there are still people like you and that helpful nurse about

It is awful my nephew got a bad fall on his way from school, his phone screen smashed, and his peers all filmed him bleeding and upset.
Though tbf lots of parents are constantly taking photos and videos of their darlings every move, is it any wonder it is so normalised.

YES I agree. A man here jumped into the river of a bridge last week attempting to commit suicide some daft bint recorded the whole thing. Some guys jumped into save him and she put the full video on fb writing "right in the middle of it all kicking off" for fuck sake a man's suicidal and trying to kill himself and she's posting shit like that and recording it all. I was raging seeing it. It's sick.

I can remember about 25 years ago the editor of Climber magazine allowed the publication of a photo of 2 dead bodies on Everest. The bodies were very old but obviously at such cold temps had been preserved quite well. iirc there was some talk that was one of them Mallory.

I was quite shocked to see the photo as it was the first photo of a body I'd seen. I don't believe that even the news showed photos of bodies back in those days. The editor actually was sacked as there was such an outcry. Now it's fairly normal that especially in big disasters such as tsunamis, or drowned migrants that photos of bodies appear on the news, either online or even in print/tv.

Has this sort of level of exposure numbed everyone?

I didn't see this article. But that poor women not only is she in a very vulnerable state giving birth without all the medical assistance a woman should have and surrounded by strangers, but then some arsehole tries to film it!!! WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!

@NothingOnTellyAgain I know what you mean, there’s often more focus on the person ‘delivering the woman’s baby for her’ than on the actual mother, same with the ‘brave dad delivers baby son’ type stories in local papers. It sometimes seems to indicate whoever catches the baby has done all the work and had the worst ordeal.

The student dr sounds lovely though, and I like how he gives the woman and her sister all the credit and the comment about how much braver than him the mother was.

See the White Bear episode of Black Mirror.

I honestly think I would take the phone off them and stamp on it, whatever the consequences. You cannot sink any lower than to find someone else's distress or death a form of entertainment, and not bother to help - it sounds like the Romans and the hideous 'games' at the Coliseum. The Americans have a law about 'Depraved indifference'. We should try bringing that into the law here; if you stand by when someone is ill, injured or generally desperately in need of help, and do nothing, it is a criminal offence.

Some of these examples of inappropriate filming are horrific. Are more and more people becoming desensitized and going into social media mode rather than decent citizen mode?

Though once I did record a thief taking a spare tyre from a van and taking some equipment. I was on the 3rd floor in our office and would never have run out quick enough to confront the thief (with my colleagues in tow). Left the van driver a note with my phone number and was able to send them the video.

I think there is a strange reflex that happens. Years ago photojournalists were criticised as callous for filming natural disasters/war/famine etc Of course it was their job to be there - they were telling the news. I've read many interviews where they later said that they literally couldn't not shoot it on camera, looking through a viewfinder becomes a way of distancing yourself from horror when you are immersed in it, and you spend your whole day searching for that one shot that will define a global event it naturally becomes all consuming.

I have a very half-baked theory that we are so used to snapping/filming stuff on our phones now it is a literal reflex to seeing something shocking.

However, we're not Pulitzer prize winning Reuters journalists. So we do still need to have a long hard look at ourselves and resist that urge to put the damn thing away.

(typo: resist that urge AND put the damn thing away)

I was in a shop a few years ago and saw a guy on the floor. Someone had rung 999 but told me they weren't trained to use the defib. I looked at him and he went purple and started bleeding from his nose and mouth and ears. Started CPR, security trying to move people out who were carrying on shopping and stepping over my legs as I'm doing compressions

He had two shocks and CPR, the paramedic arrived and shocked him again and he was breathing for himself as the ambulance arrived and stable enough to go to the specialist heart centre
I went home covered in vomit, blood and urine and raging about the people that just kept bloody shopping and walking over me

This happened on BIrmingham New Street a few years ago (the actual street not train station) the crowds were ridiculous. Well done that student he did amazing! And yes I agree I don't know what is wrong with the rubberneckers.

I think that's a jolly good idea, Pringlecat. Mumsnet has tremendous influence and, given that women are more often the subject of highly inappropriate filming-and-uploading than any other group, we should be the ones to take action. How do we go about it?

I hate and detest public filming of all sorts - it's an invasion of privacy. Where has the right to go about one's business unmolested gone? I boycott all shops, pubs, restaurants etc. with CCTV and go out far less than I used to before the introduction of CCTV.

Yes, there will always be times when CCTV and/or public random filming is useful - but actually those times aren't particularly frequent. Filmed evidence is often successfully disputed in court and many (the majority?) clips from CCTV footage are just too unclear even to be admitted as evidence.

However you could justify anything along these lines: if women were not allowed out in public then they wouldn't get raped; if certain people were forcibly sterilised then there wouldn't be so much child abuse/neglect; if we had the most expensive nuclear weaponry in the world we would never have another world war...

If you give up what you're fighting for so you can fight - you've lost.

I used to work a few yards from the Birmingham Children's Hospital helipad and was regularly disgusted by the people taking photos and videos of stretchers being taken out of the 'copter and rushed into the hospital. On one particularly sickening occasion, there were paramedics giving CPR to a child as they ran.

@GreatAuntMary CCTV is a very different matter and is there for your protection. Believe me as someone who works in some major landmark buildings CCTV is essential and our footage frequently both prevents crimes occurring (eg security then stopping men following women) and also solves crimes if they do occur. I work on the basis if you're not doing anything wrong there is nothing to worry about. Believe me if you had seen some of the things that we capture and how they had put people behind bars you would not dispute it.

Let's face it: this kind of thing won't stop until social media becomes passé. When the cool thing is not to be on FB, Instagram, or whatever. Which I imagine it will, at some point - we'll have to reach peak SM at some point.

Well done for the medical student and the woman's sister, though.

YANBU

I really don’t understand people it makes my blood boil!

A few years ago my brother was in a head on collision. People came out of their houses and stood watching. Only one woman stopped to help him and called 999. The man in the other car had unfortunately passed away and my brother was in intensive care for a good few weeks. I’d of thought they would have called 999 atleast but no they’d rather stand there and film and watch.