About the woman who gave birth at Warren St Station

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46908685

AIBU to think that this type of shit is getting worse?

Glad to hear that Mum & Baby are well but wtaf is wrong with people?

Transport for London staff had provided them with some privacy by holding up a blanket protecting the mother from onlookers who walked past and started filming

Really? What actual thought process happens that someone sees a woman giving birth in a public place and their first thought is to get their fucking phone out and film her??

I despair of my fellow humans sometimes I really do.

It's people who film it then upload to social media after. Why?! What is there to gain from it other then look at me and what I saw! Which is probably the point the attention

Why would that even be your reaction?!

Total wankers, they really are. I once slipped on the platform at Paddington (marble floors and an overhead leak caused an unexpected puddle). I went absolutely flying and ended up full length and face down on the platform. I was shocked, had bashed my knees, hip and face and hurt one of my wrists. No one helped me, no one called for help for me, several people snapped photos and one absolute fucker actually stepped over me.

Nothing goes through their minds. That's the problem. These people are devoid of thought or empathy or compassion.

Disgusting. I don’t know what’s happening to people.

I was on Fulham Palace Road a few years ago when there was a big car crash. A woman was letting her son film it with his phone. I actually said something to her because I was so appalled.

Police and HCPs who "live tweet" identifying details about people they attend in mental health crisis or after a sudden death, including details of the reasons for their distress and judgemental comments are just as bad.

If something awful happens to anybody in a public place their privacy should be respected instead of being treated as entertainment. The same applies if professionals are called to your home to help you - you shouldn't become entertainment for the social media masses then either.

Jigsaw ID, before anybody says "but they don't include names".

It's all abhorrent and dehumanising.

It's not a new thing though, it's just taken a new form.
Look at the tricoteuses who used to sit by the guillotine and knit while the aristocracy were beheaded!
And the way people would turn out for a public execution.

Ghoulishness, voyeurism etc. have just been taken to a new low because everyone (pretty much) now has a phone on them and can film it - whether or not they should doesn't even cross their mind, just like all the rubberneckers on a motorway when there's an accident to pass.

Ugh.

anouk I was going to post saying the same thing.

It really shouldn't be allowed. Our police force published a ban on visitors for a property because the tenant was vulnerable and being threatened. The picture was of the police smiling and the notice with the persons full name and address on!

Yes it eventually got pulled. But that's not the point.

Can we have an official MN campaign to change the law on this? I feel we could get a lot of support from posters on this site, whether or not they actually have kids. It should be a crime to film something like this, and it should be legally enforceable to seize and destroy all footage.

I was sectioned by police years ago and it ended up published all over the local paper with a photo. I was horrified when I found out.

One person had rung 999. Everyone else was gawping and taking photos.

This was before social media but I know it still happens.

I rang an ambulance because someone had collapsed in a road and in the time it took for them to arrive no one at all did anything to help - due to disability I couldn't do much other than ring 999 others stood around filming. No one else rang 999.

It's not a new thing. I was in a coach travelling behind a car which flipped on a motorway twenty years ago causing a major accident and we were trapped there for hours. I had a mobile (most people didn't really then) let people phone others to let them know, I rang my family and their response? Can you take some photos and get yourself in the paper and some money.

Certain people will do anything for a bit of attention on social media.

At the end of last year a boy was beaten up in the middle of the day in a busy part of our town. People videoed it and uploaded it to Facebook local groups, there were so many people there but nobody intervened. It was interesting that the majority of people 35+ were appalled but the younger ones saw nothing wrong with it. I can understand the usefulness a video may have for the police but posting it on a Facebook group is a different matter.

The other half of the problem is those who share it or ‘like’ it, if that didn’t happen then the footage wouldn’t be ‘worth’ sharing. IYKWIM.

It's disgusting behaviour, and yes I think there should be legislation allowing the seizing of devices and destruction of footage. But things go to the cloud immediately so I suppose it would be very difficult to enforce.

@Mummyoflittledragon, my son had reflex anoxic seizures as a toddler, too. He grew out of them, luckily. How is your daughter now?

Agree that it’s an appalling invasion of privacy but well done to the medical student “it was the best moment of my life” his description of when the infant started breathing.

Why do these foul low individuals exist and why film a woman giving birth for likes on social media? My first instinct would be to offer help not grab my phone for facebook fame, yes it should be an offence to film others pain and to be so fucking uncaring

Looking around online the only cases where footage and/or phones were destroyed after filming incidents were cases where the filming was being done whilst driving, so covered by the laws against mobile use and driving.

Disclaimer, me having a mooch on Google is not definitive review of current law!

Law could be tricky as there are some genuine cases where footage can be useful to police/investigators and how would you prove intent? The medical student in this case initially thought it was a fight. All any of these people would have to say is that they heard a commotion and saw blood and that a crime was possibly in progress. Obviously they knew otherwise and were just being utter arseholes but how do you prove that if a law was brought in?

My dad is a PCOS,he was on duty in the city centre of our hometown when he&his witnessed an elderly man collapse he the street,he needed CPR as unknown to my dad and colleague he'd suffered a heart attack,my dad and his colleague preformed CPR on this gentleman whilst crowds gathered and whipped out their phones to film it.My dad was furious about it,this gentleman was dying in the street and people just thought they'd film it and no doubt post it on social media 😡

I've been near a couple of incidents recently, nothing too dramatic but a woman taken ill suddebly and a car crash which I felt the force of even though I wasn't involved. Im not a medic, so after checking there was nothing I could do and they didn't need my phone I carried on. Literally none of my business.

Einstein made the connection between technology surpassing humanity all those years ago and how correct he was. I love the irony of ‘smart’ phones making us dumber by the minute.

This is atrocious. There have been examples of people taking photos of suicides before so sadly doesn’t surprise me.

It's disgusting behaviour which I don't understand. People always seem to have been this way (as others have said) - when I was at high school a huge audience would gather for a fight and I remember being a mouthy, opinionated teen (as opposed to a mouthy, opinionated 54 year old!) shouting at people yelling 'jump' to somebody sitting up on top of a high bridge - no doubt they would have been filming it to put on social media if they had been able to.

I don't understand why people are so uncaring. I know I'm not perfect (far from it) but if I see somebody in distress I do try to help or at least phone 999 if I can't get involved for whatever reason. I don't do a lot to help most of the time but at least acknowledging a person like the Big Issue seller and saying hello to her or stopping to talk to the woman in the park who was crying, stuff like that. That said, if I was ever sitting in the park crying I'd like to be ignored thank you very much.

What actual thought process happens that someone sees a woman giving birth in a public place and their first thought is to get their fucking phone out and film her

Yes we have had patients/relatives in hospital trying to film (unsuccessful) cardiac arrests. I have never been so close to assaulting a patient! I really just have a red mist over that sort of thing. Sick fucking cunts.

And I don’t know about police, but HCPs who share anything identifiable (including jigsaw id) will be disciplined by their employer. And there is no excuse for doing it, we are told again and again not to post anything remotely patient-related on social media. So please report them if you see it.

It's no just filming, they shouldn't be gawking either. I say that as someone who gave birth in the street outside my house. The ambulance guys were trying to get me into the back while still attached to the baby. Clothes had been cut away, everything was exposed, umbillical cord wrapped around my legs. And my neighbours were out trying to have a good look. I heard the woman next door, who had been helping me before the ambulance arrived, shouting at some of the blokes to have some fucking respect and fuck off. She has to physical stop one guy from trying to get round the open ambulance door to get a good look.

It’s such a weird phenomenon. I first saw it maybe in 2004-05 when I lived in Notting Hill. A taxi driver missed his junction turning and drove into a big shop window, smashing it. People were stood around filming. I was appalled. The ambulance had already arrived but still,,,no one thought of the man’s dignity. I remember the paramedic shouting at a few to stop it.

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That sounds awful...