About the woman who gave birth at Warren St Station

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46908685

AIBU to think that this type of shit is getting worse?

Glad to hear that Mum & Baby are well but wtaf is wrong with people?

Transport for London staff had provided them with some privacy by holding up a blanket protecting the mother from onlookers who walked past and started filming

Really? What actual thought process happens that someone sees a woman giving birth in a public place and their first thought is to get their fucking phone out and film her??

I despair of my fellow humans sometimes I really do.

Agree re appalling behavior of filming stuff rathering than helping. The story upthread about people filming a burning house and none of them ringing the fire brigade is mind boggling.

The other thing I find interesting about the article is that the way I read it, the women had given birth with assistance from her sister, when the man arrived. He got the baby checked it was breathing wrapped it and gave it to the woman. He is of course the main actor and hero though, according to the article, the way it's presented. He recognises that the woman and her sister were the ones who did all the work and he came along at the end and helped. I find it interesting though the way it's presented by the press here. This seems to happen quite a lot when it comes to women giving birth in unusual situations.

@NothingOnTellyAgain the story I read was the woman was haemoraging. The junior trainee dr went over as he initially thought she had been stabbed. Then realised she was crowning and pushing a baby out.

So someone standing in a massive pool of blood and hes the only one that goes over. Mind boggling.

@Becca19962014
Thanks for your response, what do you mean reclassified? To what? Who did this? Cardiologist? And did you have to tell dvla? Can you drive? Thanks. Sorry so many questions...

I went to the autonomic unit in London and the diagnosis was removed and replaced with Vasodepressor syncope instead. The symptoms for me are the same, as far as I'm concerned it's just a name change. That said I'm not a dr! It was done by an autonomic specialist who specialises in autonomic issues primarily I believe he is a neurologist but he also knows about cardiology as well.

I've never driven. I've had pressure from people and the dwp to do so, the dvla at the time of my assessment would allow people to drive with it, however, since the Glasgow bin lorry crash their stance on syncope related disorders has been changed a lot. I also have another related condition Ehlers danlos which severely effects my joints so couldn't drive because of that.

It doesn’t help that news sites, even the BBC ask people to contact them with footage or photos of any news worthy event

Yes that! dosent help at all but i did read the other day that Youtube is now starting to ban some "prank" vidoes which i suppose is a start.

Bet the vid of Prince Philip crashing his car the other day would have been worth a few quid to some broadcasters not perhaps the ones in the UK.

Mind you I'm guilty of filming intimate moments;! a small deer was wandering in our suburban garden the other day, had the proper vid cam out discretly filming it and then it just did a crap, wonder if i ought to upload it to U tube;?.

Agree re appalling behavior of filming stuff rathering than helping. The story upthread about people filming a burning house and none of them ringing the fire brigade is mind boggling.

ISTM some reasearch being done around that, it seems that everyone else thinks that someone else has already called 999 so they don't want to bother the emergency call takers so they don't call;(

Thanks Becs for the info. Sorry you’re suffering with ED. It sounds painful and debilitating.

Silly auto correct. Becca

Sort of off topic, but I was reading a book about Britney Spears and her breakdown the other week. The way the press went after her while she was with her infant children was just awful.

There was a story about her being chased by the paps with her baby in her arms in floods of tears. She ran into a cafe and asked them to help her but all the staff and customers just got their phones out and filmed her too. She sat down alone at a table with her baby in her arms, crying her eyes out. Nobody helped her or comforted her or asked if she was okay, they just all stood filming her.

Before mobile phones so a different issue. I once stopped at a RTC and was kneeling on the ground trying to arrest a haemorrhage and while I was doing so someone stole my handbag. ☹️

Becca I'm wondering if you live near me as my local police force posted something very similar recently. I remember thinking at the time that it didn't seem appropriate.

Are you in rural Wales pink ?

@NothingOnTellyAgain the article OP linked says the sister had helped birth the head but the baby wasn’t completely delivered and the woman was screaming for help standing in a pool of blood.

He initially thought she’d been stabbed and was haemorrhaging he only realised she was giving birth after he got her to sit down.

The med student doesn’t take credit for everything either.

Think he was very brave and kind to rush in to help when he thought there was a fight on where someone had suffered a massive haemorrhage.

No he doesn't take credit for it.

I did say that.

The way the reporting is, is interesting though. The way the media present it. The women are an adjunct in the story of the brave man > is how they want to tell it. I am not suggesting that is how the man saw it > in fact he clearly didn't as he specifically talks about both the woman and the sister.

It's a side observation I dont' want to detarct from the point of the thread ie passers by fliming what from their point of view was possibyl a woman dying in front of them as she gave birth. And not doing anything at all to help.

Maybe the law on up skirting should be extended to cover filming of anyone giving birth in a public place. Sad that this seems necessary.

People are horrible they really are.

I fainted on the Tube (with a baby on board badge on my coat) and nobody said a word to me! A few gawping people but no help.

I used to be a flight attendant and unfortunately a passenger was taken seriously ill and we were doing CPR and using the defib in the middle of the aisle. One passenger complained to me as she disembarked that she didn’t get a second G&T! I had to turn away as I felt like slapping her.

The passenger actually wrote in to complain that I refused to serve her and was rude to her. I was SO angry. My manager just kind of shrugged at me. No doubt the woman got some free air mileage as compensation.

Those incidents really made me hate people. I do try to see the best in people and be kind but it’s hard when so many people are nasty. As for recording dying/ill people...that’s sick.

The way the reporting is, is interesting though

And old journalist of my distant acquantice once told me to;

"Only believe 30% of what you read and 40% of what you hear then you'll be well informed"

Polarbearflavour

I once had ten bloody years in a public facing job can well belive all of that goes on .

I was told tho when I did start the job that;

"around 80% of the public are as stupid as two short planks"

They were wrong, 90% is nearer the mark;(

The sister of a someone I know was killed in a RTA. People were filming her as she died. Why would anyone want to do that? It's as if they're divorced from all natural feeling.

That is so upsetting

I think a lot of people are heartless, stupid bastards. That’s the only explanation I can come up with.

And yes giving birth is intensely private (made worse by having to do it on the underground ) - I hope the people filming the lady were told to fuck off to the far side of fuck .

Awful. So invasive when people are totally vulnerable. I live in outer London, just last week & an old lady went flying behind me. I heard a thud & instantly turned & was horrified & rushed to help. 5 other lovely people offered tissues for the blood, called the ambulance, got her a chair from a shop (she insisted on getting up tho bleeding heavily from v deep cut to her lip). The only filming was a nice gay couple who filmed the bloodstained, uneven flagstones , to send to Council repairs dept.

It's absolutely bloody shocking. I was in a shop in my local town and the cashier began to shout for help when an elderly lady collapsed at the till. I have a basic paediatric first aid certificate which isn't much, but went straight away to see if there was anything I could do. Luckily there was also a lady in the shop that was a nurse, but the number of people grumbling that they had to wait to be served (small shop only a few staff) one staff member fetched a chair, another called for an ambulance, customers weren't kept waiting long but behaviour from some was just so rude and the number of people who saw something happening through the shop window and wandered in just for a good gawp. Another left in a huff when the lady began to vomit (into a carrier bag that we requested from behind the till anticipating that it may happen). I know some people are squeamish when people vomit, but no need to grumble loudly as she left the shop about having to come back another time. Thank god no one was cheeky enough to try and film it, I think I would have stuffed said phone up their nose. Her (adult) daughter was with her and was distraught, and found it all very upsetting, she didn't know what to do for her mum and at one point nearly passed out herself.

Filming anyone in a distressful situation is despicable, and I think the student doctor did amazingly well, I can't believe anyone else didn't help. In a scenario like this, even if you don't know what to do, at least stop and ask if anyone has called an ambulance and if not, do that at the very least, or help to create a shield to give the person some privacy from ogling bystanders.

The elderly lady made a full recovery after her episode in the shop, as far as I know it was heat related (last summer).

One hospital I've worked out issued a directive not to gawp at other people's babies. This caused an outcry about "denying babies the natural right to be cooed at". The policy was brought in after parents and families visiting other babies in SCBU started pointing, staring, and bringing other people over to ogle at a baby with visible physical deformities.

Neonatal transfer teams now have covers to fit over the transport incubators. This is partly for insulation/quiet/dark for the babies between the unit and the ambulance. But it is partly because so many people were getting in the way trying to have a good stare at the sick babies.

People make me despair.

but the number of people grumbling that they had to wait to be served

Yes I’ve posted before that when I worked in A&E we had a woman complaining that she had been waiting ages, and it was explained to her that we were dealing with a very upsetting and unsuccessful toddler resuscitation. She snapped back “well if they’re dead, you can get in with sorting out my sprained ankle!”

Sadly she didn’t hear us when we called her through (because we did it quietly, in majors, not in the waiting room). So she was discharged from the system and had to book in again and join the back of the queue. Shame!

DH had an accident in the summer and it made the press where he worked (mainland Europe) but all MSM blurred out anything graphic or identifying

Sadly there was a man who filmed the aftermath and it was put on Twitter so if you twitter searched the town that footage would appear.

I’ve never looked at it myself but the thought makes me feel sick; DH and others nearly died that day yet someone thought rather than to help or get out the way to film it all

I'll confess here to filming a fight that had broken out in a pub once, bar staff were brilliant and right in there sorting it and I knew they had panic buttons for security/police (one of them had shouted out to a colleague that they were on the way)

I genuinely started filming because I thought the police may need evidence of who was involved in case one of the fighters did a runner. I definitely did not upload it to Facebook and I deleted it after a week had gone by.

I would never film someone in distress though, that's sick.