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To ask what is the point of a proposal nowadays?

59 replies

Nearlyspringthankgod · 20/01/2019 08:29

I understand it 200 years ago. Women were expected to wait about for a man they didn't know that well to pick them off the shelf. It just seems bizarre to me now when most of us already live with our partners and discuss things on a day to day basis.

I have several friends who have all recently married, and in all cases the men proposed.
My own partner and I have decided to go down the civil partnership route when the legislation comes through for it for straight couples. Neither of us proposed though. He asked what I thought about getting married, and we discussed it from there, which is how we make all our big decisions. Id have cringed with embarrassment if he'd gone down on one knee, done this rehearsed speech, offered me a ring or asked my dad's permission first which my mate's husband did.

What I can't get my head round with a proposal is that it either seems unnecessary, in that the couple have already decided that they both want to marry, but then the 'surprise,' romantic proposal becomes the official seal, or else it genuinely is a surprise which means that rather than talking it through the woman has had this huge question sprung on her that the man has already been thinking about on his own.

Aibu to think officially proposing is either unnecessary pomp or a sign that a couple aren't good friends enough to discuss things as friends and equals?

OP posts:
AnnaMagnani · 20/01/2019 10:39

I get confused on MN when people talk about how they have agreed they are getting married but their DP hasn't proposed. Surely if you have discussed it, that was the proposal Confused

I am with you OP. My DP raised marriage in conversation, I was all for it and the next day we were deciding dates and venues. No romantic venue or bended knee required.

it turned out that he was like the MN view and had not intended a proposal AT ALL but nevermind!

TheBigBangRocks · 20/01/2019 10:41

Forgot about asking the father. If somebody asked that, I wouldn't ever marry them. I'm not a possession to be acquired from another.

Whisky2014 · 20/01/2019 10:42

Just because it's traditional isn't it? Don't think we need to delve any deeper...

LadyFlumpalot · 20/01/2019 10:56

DH and I are both rubbish at romantic gestures. We had been together 4 years and were in the habit of browsing jewellery shop windows together. I spotted a ring I absolutely adored, we quickly checked our bank balance over the road then went in and bought it. There was never an official moment of proposal, it just kind of happened. Took us another 4 years to actually get married on the other hand!

As I've gotten older and more cynical I am beginning to believe that marriage is a good thing from a legal/financial POV as well as being romantic. For instance, if DH is in hospital I want to be able to make decisions about his care, likewise the other way around.

RebeccaCloud9 · 20/01/2019 11:03

Oh just to add, my DH did propose but literally just at home, not planned, no ring, no big show. Also, definitely knew not to ask my dad, and both my parents walked down the aisle and we did not do the giving away words in the ceremony.

florascotia2 · 20/01/2019 11:46

"Romantic'" proposals are an example of a fairly modern phenomenon that has often been wrongly identified as an ancient tradition:

[[https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/melanie-nathan2/engagement-evolution_b_8163748.html]]

There is even some academic research that argues that in recent decades proposals have got much more "romantic" than in the past as a way of differentiating gender roles in a time of increasing male/female economic and social equality:

www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/03/marriage-proposals-are-stupid/556403/

I don't see why couples who love a bit of romantic fantasy should not enjoy it together and have a thoroughly good time, but I don't think the myth that 'the man has always proposed' should - as previous posters have warned - be used to trap some women in disadvantageous long-term relationships with no legal security.

florascotia2 · 20/01/2019 11:49

Sorry - first link in my email above does not work. Here it is again:

www.huffingtonpost.ca/melanie-nathan2/engagement-evolution_b_8163748.html

dudsville · 20/01/2019 11:57

When I think of proposals i always think of that vampire trilogy where he's old fashioned because he died about 100 years ago so it's supposed to be all sweet and romantic that he asks her father's permission. Boak!

Lottapianos · 20/01/2019 20:03

'When I think of proposals i always think of that vampire trilogy where he's old fashioned because he died about 100 years ago so it's supposed to be all sweet and romantic that he asks her father's permission. Boak!'

Grin Boak indeed. Couldn't agree more

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