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To want Gordon brown back as PM

118 replies

Gaballout · 18/01/2019 07:04

Such an underrated politician that always speaks so much sense. He would be so much better than any of the current lot!

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Bejazzled · 18/01/2019 23:59

“Pitt the Younger” 😂

How about turning the clock back to when Ed stabbed his brother in the back and asking David to come back?

MsJuniper · 19/01/2019 00:01

I was a big GB fan but I think he missed a big opportunity with the bigoted woman thing. He could have still apologised for being rude but used it as a way of talking positively about immigration and the type of country we want to be. It could have turned the tide. Maybe.

PlatypusPie · 19/01/2019 00:04

Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown?! Good god, I thought this was a wind up. Useless Chancellor , useless PM. surely the mists of time can’t have blurred your perspective that much ?!

AornisHades · 19/01/2019 00:07

The whole gold thing actually staved off an earlier world banking collapse according to a piece in the left wing rag, The Telegraph...
I said at the time GB left Downing St that I thought history would be kinder to him. I think he is a decent man unlike many modern politicians.

BejamNostalgia · 19/01/2019 09:37

He could have still apologised for being rude but used it as a way of talking positively about immigration and the type of country we want to be. It could have turned the tide. Maybe.

But he was talking about a policy which even the man who created it has described as a ‘spectacular failure’. Do you really think a mealy mother lecture about being welcoming and how wonderful diversity is would have been treated with anything other than the contempt it would have deserved?

A million people arriving within months with no planning for housing, accommodation, impact on services etc is not an example of well managed migration. What you’re suggesting would probably have been received negatively because everyone would have known he was defending an utterly failed policy with sound bites and patronisation without actually answering difficult questions.

He didn’t answer because he couldn’t. If, in the middle of that farago, he’d given a working class person a lecture about how marvellous migration was, he would have been slaughtered. And he would have deserved it.

He couldn’t cheerlead for how wonderful that wave of migration was, because he knew full well it wasn’t wonderful and was causing great difficulties, particularly for Labour core voters.

GirlsBlouse17 · 19/01/2019 18:48

How about turning the clock back to when Ed stabbed his brother in the back and asking David to come back?

I wonder if our recent history would be much different if David Miliband had been Labour leader instead of Ed

luckylavender · 19/01/2019 19:02

I still miss Gordon Brown. Right about so many things.

Gaballout · 19/01/2019 19:37

Blaming brown for brexit because of Eastern Europeans coming here because of tax credits is ridiculous!

The benefits in the UK are way less generous than other countries like Germany and France! Ee people pay far more than they take out anyway.

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Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/01/2019 19:51

Thatch would sort it

What, like she decimated all the northern and Welsh mining towns & villages? She should have been burnt at the stake!

user1490465531 · 19/01/2019 19:51

And if their were no tax credits do you really believe some companies would then pay a liveable wage?.
It's thanks to tax credits I and many others can actually survive.

BejamNostalgia · 19/01/2019 20:09

Blaming brown for brexit because of Eastern Europeans coming here because of tax credits is ridiculous!

The benefits in the UK are way less generous than other countries like Germany and France! Ee people pay far more than they take out anyway.

Not true. Until Brexit, the pound was much stronger than the Euro, which mean that money received in benefits here was worth much, much more when exchanged and taken or sent back to their home country. (So yes, covering the Brown period and a long while after).

Also, tax credits are in work benefits, so as soon as you are working, you can claim them. France and Germany are geared towards out of work benefits, which are much harder to get in all EU countries including the EU. In Germany the wait is 5 years and in France you need to have worked 122 days in the last year.

The issue with exchange rates also caused big inequality. A Polish or Romanian worker could come here alone and claim tax credits for children in their home country and lead a lifestyle not possible with children - living in cheap shared housing, digs, sometimes even having a time share bed or sleeping in vans and tents. Housing is much cheaper in their countries. They could work here for a couple of years and go home set up to buy a property with a nice little nest egg behind them.

A worker doing the same job and for same money who is settled here and has a partner and children, if they received tax credits they would be able to afford a basic lifestyle with very little opportunity to save and very little prospect of ever improving their lifestyle or prospects.

Even if a UK employee managed to live the same lifestyle as a migrant and save up the same amount of money, without the prospect of being able to exchange it and go to a county where it is worth much more and cost of living far cheaper, they probably would only have scraped together enough to buy a second hand car and could only dream in about a deposit.

HelenaDove · 20/01/2019 17:10

user we know they wouldnt In the 90s when there was a gap between the abolition of the wages councils and no minimum wage before the tax credits came in the JC here were advertising jobs at £1 £1.50 an hour and £50 a week.

whatsthestory123 · 20/01/2019 17:42

as a person he seemed like a nice Guy but bloody hell his maths was not his strong point at all

Walkingdeadfangirl · 20/01/2019 18:55

as a person he seemed like a nice Guy
Unless he got 'angry' and then phones, staplers and even printers got thrown at his aides.

whatsthestory123 · 20/01/2019 20:15

oh did he, well well Smile

Dongdingdong · 20/01/2019 20:16

What, like she decimated all the northern and Welsh mining towns & villages? She should have been burnt at the stake!

You seem to be forgetting that Labour actually closed twice as many coal mines as Thatcher.

HelenaDove · 20/01/2019 20:54

well we could always ask Gordon on twitter if the above post is true.........

ddl1 · 20/01/2019 21:12

No you're not! I thought I was the only one!

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