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To want Gordon brown back as PM

118 replies

Gaballout · 18/01/2019 07:04

Such an underrated politician that always speaks so much sense. He would be so much better than any of the current lot!

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NameChangeNugget · 18/01/2019 07:59
Biscuit
Fattymcfaterson · 18/01/2019 08:06

I think we have a severe case of rose tinted spectacles!!!!

Catquest1 · 18/01/2019 08:07

I always quite liked John Smith - occasionally i wonder if things might have been different had he have lived.

Aquilla · 18/01/2019 08:09

Totally agree with Miliband comment.
Thatcher would've been bloody brilliant.

tillytrotter1 · 18/01/2019 08:12

We were on the US during the 2008 worldwide economic crash, commentators there were very complimentary about GB's actions, he seemed to be totally aware of what was needed.
However, his pension raids will never be forgotten.

mothertruck3r · 18/01/2019 08:13

Lol. Presuming this is a joke?

OutPinked · 18/01/2019 08:14

He was a nice guy, not built for leadership. I always said they chose the wrong Miliband but I do prefer Ed as a person again, just not so much as a leader.

Didiusfalco · 18/01/2019 08:18

John Smith - yes, cat I think you’re right he was a principled man.

rightreckoner you did make make me laugh, I’ve been feeling the same over the last few days.

PearsandWine · 18/01/2019 10:13

So just to be clear, this is the Gordon Brown who (a) plugged PFI on the basis that when the chickens came home to roost he wouldn't be around, (b) made it impossible for parents like me of children with SN who don't qualify for higher rate DLA and never will (autism) to leave my money to trustees to look after him without being liable to pay an additional tax charge every ten years just for the sheer hell of it and (c) who decided that instead of using the tax system to work towards businesses paying a living wage, meaning that employees would be adults able to stand on their own two feet, it would be better to get half the country onto some form of tax credits with the attendant bureaucracy, interference in people's lives and misery when the system inevitably fucks up people's payments?

Yeah, no thanks.

NewGrandad · 18/01/2019 10:16

No thanks. Don't want him to be my MP again never mind PM.

jellycatspyjamas · 18/01/2019 10:31

In fairness Gillian Duffy was being bigoted, if you don’t want to be called bigoted don’t hold bigoted views.

longwayoff · 18/01/2019 10:32

Anothermother. Debt mountain from Brexit Tory nutters good. Debt mountain from well meant Socialist policies bad? Odd choice to make.

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 10:55

Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown - they got it right about austerity.

And, god forgive me, John Major. I am on the left, I would cut off my hand rather than vote Tory, but god help me I am nostalgic for John Major.

He was dismissed and belittled (by me among others) but good grief he controlled the Tories in a way we can only admire with open mouthed wonder now.

pilates · 18/01/2019 11:01

Not in a million years

JudasPrudy · 18/01/2019 11:02

YANBU. Jeremy Corbyn really needs to just fuck off so Labour have a leader people feel comfortable with.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/01/2019 11:02

You mean the man who maxed out our countries credit card?
The man who spend a decade at war with Blair so he could get 'his turn' at being PM.
Christ almighty as if the country doesn't have enough problems without him coming back into politics.

Katerinablum66 · 18/01/2019 11:17

Maxed said credit card out to improve the services trashed by the Tories you mean. Remember the crumbling schools and lengthy hospital waiting lists ? People have short memories unfortunately...

BejamNostalgia · 18/01/2019 11:18

In fairness Gillian Duffy was being bigoted, if you don’t want to be called bigoted don’t hold bigoted views.

No she wasn’t. She raised a legitimate question on an issue that Labour itself admitted it ‘spectacularly failed on’. Labour refused to introduce transitional controls on workers coming into Britain to work from Poland and Hungary when they joined the EU in 2004. The other EU states including the big economies like France and Germany, did restrict them from working there until 2011. Labour refused and said that only 13,000 would come. Over a million people came. With no forward planning on houses and services or how to cope with such a huge and sudden population increase. Jack straw who made the decision admitted in 2013 that he had ‘spectacularly failed’ over the issue.

If a working class person can’t bring up a ‘‘spectacularly failed” government policy which has negatively affected their lives hugely without being called a “bigot” then they are being silenced, oppressed and denied a voice.

Brown patronised and insulted her even before that. Her first question, although garbled, was a good one. Labour had continued a practice which had been going on since the Thatcher years, moving people with spurious sickness claims from unemployment benefits onto sickness benefits to lower the unemployment figures. The press had caught onto this and as a result Labour applied huge pressure on GPS not to give out more sicknotes for new benefits claims. This ended up with a situation where a lot of genuinely sick people with new claims were being refused the benefits while people who weren’t really sick but had already claimed continued to get them.

It was another genuine and serious issue but Brown just stereotypes her and assumed she was just moaning about benefits.

The ‘bigot’ label is just, working class people should just shut the fuck up and stop asking difficult questions we can’t answer.

Geminijes · 18/01/2019 11:25

Gordon Brown....10p tax debacle
Selling off gold reserves at low value.

But, yes, what a wonderful PM....NOT!

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 11:39

I don't think anyone is saying GB didn't make mistakes but compared to the total and utter shambolic, laughing stock that make up both front benches he was ok.

Katerinablum66 · 18/01/2019 12:01

Margaret Thatcher Deindustrialisation and underinvestment of whole swaithes of the country with no alternative plans ....cozying up to various tinpot dictators - pinochet anyone ? and apartheid supporter. See it's easy to throw the insults Grin

Katerinablum66 · 18/01/2019 12:02

Oh an you need to read up on the selling off the gold issue .... Less simple than you think

ExFury · 18/01/2019 12:08

The original plan for tax credits was a brilliant system. It would have helped people back into work and bridged that really difficult time between benefits and being settled in work.

However the tweaks and twists ruined it. As well as some of the short sightedness over the way the childcare element would be used and abused (and some did abuse it). Plus, as with so many government systems, they skimped on a computer system and it ended up being more complicated and expensive to implement than ever imagined.

Stinkytoe · 18/01/2019 12:10

I’m not a Labour voter but have respect for Gordon a brown. I think Blair properly shafted him tbh

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