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Is it abusive if it’s said/portrayed as a joke?

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stopthehunts · 16/01/2019 19:28

Bit concerned about my relationship.

Partner of 6 years always makes jokes or says things in jest that I find hurtful and potentially abusive but whenever I confront him and say he’s in the wrong, he says ‘it’s just a joke’

Quite worried actually about certain things e.g

  • joking threats about telling a family secret when I do something wrong. E.g ‘you wouldn’t want me to let slip about xyz’ if I don’t do something he wants. He says this with a grin on his face and I laugh and say ‘you’d better not’ but it makes me so uneasy.

-He also says often that I don’t dress nicely enough for him when apparently ‘every other woman dresses nicely and femininely for their partners’. I dress nicely and always look presentable in blouses and black jeans but he complains that I don’t wear dresses and skirts often except for work. He even points out women in town dressed nicely and says ‘you’d never do that for me’

  • i also have a health condition which has stemmed from past surgery which has resulted in occasional pain during sex though most of the time i am fine. He has said a couple of times as a joke that I will ‘never find a man who will put up with it’ like he does. This worries me as I can’t help having had surgery!
  • I bumped into an old friend when we were at a restaurant a month or so ago. A male friend. Partner didn’t like this and said afterwards as a joke ‘I’d fucking kill you if we broke up and you found another man’

Am I being unreasonable to find this really uncomfortable? We’re unmarried but been living together a few years.

There are other examples that I could think of but those are the most regular comments I get.

Is this abusive or borderline abusive? When I say he’s being mean, he asks where my sense of humour disappeared to.
I don’t want to appear to be boring and i don’t know if this is normal? Is this just part of a normal relationship? Is it just his sense of humour?

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MaFleur · 16/01/2019 19:30

This is not normal and you are not being boring about it. He is vile.

magoria · 16/01/2019 19:32

It's very abusive.

He is threatening and blackmailing you.

Do you have DC together? If not start to try and start separating him from your life.

Imsosorryalan1 · 16/01/2019 19:34

Id be seriously reconsidering this relationship

DayManChampionOfTheSun · 16/01/2019 19:35

Ummmm no op, Yanbu that is not a joke.

My dp and I are horrible jokey to each other all the time, but these all stem from in jokes we both share, not random things like this and never threats!

Bambamber · 16/01/2019 19:35

Jokes don't hurt people's feelings. He is being abusive

NailsNeedDoing · 16/01/2019 19:35

Whether you define it as abusive or not, it's making you unhappy and it is more than enough to make you look at whether you want to be in this relationship.

My pet hate is people making nasty digs under the guise of humour. I don't think it's ever just a sense of humour, the insult is always intended.

You deserve a better kind of love than this.

StripeyDeckchair · 16/01/2019 19:36

It's a very common thing to dismiss verbal abuse as "banter" or a "joke" when the reality is that it is bullying and abuse.
None of the comments you mention are remotely funny, they are however bullying and abusive.

StreetwiseHercules · 16/01/2019 19:36

End the relationship. He is a lowlife weirdo.

Daisymay2 · 16/01/2019 19:37

Well, he is abusive- and not borderline. Saying hurtful things and claiming they are a joke is worse than blatent abuse- because they make you doubt yourself even more.
And what is "dressing nicely for him" as for the comments about painful sex- words fail me
Don't often say this , but get out before it gets worse. The male friend incident is worrying.

Stardustinmyeyes · 16/01/2019 19:38

I’m another one saying this is not normal, it’s cruel and abusive behaviour. I’d be making arrangements to leave the relationship immediately. As pp said he is insulting you and blackmailing you and that’s not a fucking joke

powershowerforanhour · 16/01/2019 19:39

Dump.

Sexnotgender · 16/01/2019 19:40

He’s a dick and trying to manipulate you to accept it under the guise of ‘joking’.

IncomingCannonFire · 16/01/2019 19:43

It's only a joke if someone is laughing. Are you laughing Stopthehunts?
The one person you would expect to be loving, supportive and on your team is the partner you have chosen. This guy is not it.
He sounds very unpleasant.
I would consider couples counselling in the least. Otherwise have a long hard think about if you are happy with this life. With this guy.

oscambercat · 16/01/2019 19:43

He's controlling and manipulating you to manage his own deep insecurity. These are all extreme to me. This is absolutely abusive behavior.

For the record

  1. You dress for you not for him
  2. A lot of women find certain sexual positions painful. It's easily overcome and not something to hold over you. 3)Threatening to kill you is not funny or witty. It's just a plain threat of violence.

Please make some plans for a way to get out of this relationship.
xx

stopthehunts · 16/01/2019 19:58

Thanks everyone for taking time to respond.

In my head I just keep asking myself if I’m overthinking it all or if he genuinely was joking. I’m just in denial and have been for a long time.

Previously he has smacked me across the arm and has threatened to punch me for disrespecting him. This was around 4 years ago with no violence since.

Now I’m typing all this out, it’s making me realise that I have had it tough.

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BillywilliamV · 16/01/2019 20:07

Read back what you have written OP, what do you think now?

AdaColeman · 16/01/2019 20:32

It is a classic excuse by abusers to say that they are "only joking", because it pushes the victims of the abuse deeper into doubting their own sanity.

The victim of the abuse knows in their heart that it is no joke, but is forced by the abuser's pretence to accept the "joke".

It's part of the terrible and frightening truth about emotional abuse, that the abused victim is forced to collude with their own abuse. And the "only a joke" statement is a major part of this.

As time goes on, and the mind games get more complex, the victim cannot tell truth from lies, believes they are at fault themselves, cannot escape the downward spiral to break free of the cruel abuser.

SylvanianFamiliesNurserySet · 16/01/2019 20:34

Partner didn’t like this and said afterwards as a joke ‘I’d fucking kill you if we broke up and you found another man’

That’s not a joke, it’s a threat. And it’s a credible threat given how often it happens IRL.

bananamonkey · 16/01/2019 20:38

This is all horrible, designed to make you feel insecure. Please reconsider it.

Gillian1980 · 16/01/2019 20:41

Definitely abusive and not at all funny.
He’s calling it a joke to cover up his manipulative behaviour.

DoodleLab · 16/01/2019 20:42

More red flags than a Lenin memorial day parade. You've been gaslighted (gaslit?) when you start to doubt yourself and perceptions of the relationship. Reconsider.

iklboo · 16/01/2019 20:43

I totally agree with AdaColeman. Behaviour like this often escalates. My ex was the same - calling me for what I wore, what I said, my opinions, music & film tastes etc. I was stupid, fat, ugly, nobody else would touch me or put up with me.

But everything was a 'joke' and I was a 'miserable bitch' if I didn't laugh or agree. I ended up a shadow of myself. It only ended when he finally left.

You deserve much better OP.

Maelstrop · 16/01/2019 20:46

Please tell me you don’t have kids with him? He sounds abusive and violent. Why are you with him? It isn’t normal to make such threats re leaving him.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 16/01/2019 20:47

He is playing the 'I was joking' card as he knows what he has said is unreasonable. 2 women a week are killed by partners or ex partners, many of whom have threatened it before. What part of that is funny. There is no punchline. It's an out and out threat. Jokes are meant to be funny or witty or a pun not just threats of violence. If you make a joke about someone, it's meant to be something they will laugh at as well.

But you know all this. From what you've said, his whole attitude to women in general is wrong. He seems to think women are the property of men and dress for their pleasure and have sex for their partners pleasure and not their own. I can't believe he sometimes (albeit not deliberately) hurts you during sex and then expects you to be grateful to him for putting up with you being in pain! That's one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard! Please don't get any more embroiled with him or have kids. I think now you've realised what he is you will be able to leave him one day

stopthehunts · 16/01/2019 20:48

Thanks everyone- I really appreciate the reassurance that I’m not just being boring.

Another thing, he often jokes about harming our dog and guinea pigs. He sometimes looks at them and says through gritted teeth almost like the devil is in him ‘please can I punch them? I just wanna punch them so hard’. He’ll pass it off as a joke and I genuinely don’t think he’d do it but wtf would he even say it?

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