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Is it abusive if it’s said/portrayed as a joke?

72 replies

stopthehunts · 16/01/2019 19:28

Bit concerned about my relationship.

Partner of 6 years always makes jokes or says things in jest that I find hurtful and potentially abusive but whenever I confront him and say he’s in the wrong, he says ‘it’s just a joke’

Quite worried actually about certain things e.g

  • joking threats about telling a family secret when I do something wrong. E.g ‘you wouldn’t want me to let slip about xyz’ if I don’t do something he wants. He says this with a grin on his face and I laugh and say ‘you’d better not’ but it makes me so uneasy.

-He also says often that I don’t dress nicely enough for him when apparently ‘every other woman dresses nicely and femininely for their partners’. I dress nicely and always look presentable in blouses and black jeans but he complains that I don’t wear dresses and skirts often except for work. He even points out women in town dressed nicely and says ‘you’d never do that for me’

  • i also have a health condition which has stemmed from past surgery which has resulted in occasional pain during sex though most of the time i am fine. He has said a couple of times as a joke that I will ‘never find a man who will put up with it’ like he does. This worries me as I can’t help having had surgery!
  • I bumped into an old friend when we were at a restaurant a month or so ago. A male friend. Partner didn’t like this and said afterwards as a joke ‘I’d fucking kill you if we broke up and you found another man’

Am I being unreasonable to find this really uncomfortable? We’re unmarried but been living together a few years.

There are other examples that I could think of but those are the most regular comments I get.

Is this abusive or borderline abusive? When I say he’s being mean, he asks where my sense of humour disappeared to.
I don’t want to appear to be boring and i don’t know if this is normal? Is this just part of a normal relationship? Is it just his sense of humour?

OP posts:
Ikeameatballs · 16/01/2019 20:50

He is awful and abusive.

Please discuss with Women’s Aid how to leave this relationship safely.

Tumblefluff · 16/01/2019 20:52

What he's doing is called coercive control, which is (albeit poorly prosecuted), a crime.

The laughter or smiles alongside this behaviour are in my view very sinister, and definitely gaslighting. That uneasy feeling is your survival instincts trying to warn you. Please listen OP.

If you can do so, you need to start safely and discreetly planning your way out.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 16/01/2019 20:55

He sounds awful. Get away from him.

I took a lot of abuse from my ex, years worth and every sort possible, except financial as I earned more than him.

The final straw was when he threatened my dog. Stupid I know. I'd let him get away with physically harming me. But one night when he was getting aggressive towards me and I was obviously scared, my rescue staffy got in between us, growled and showed his teeth to my ex. He said he'd stab him if I didn't control him. That night I made my mind up we were done. The thought of him hurting something I loved so much was too much.

Please get away from him. If he will hurt your innocent animals, he will hurt you.

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 16/01/2019 20:57

Sounds like my exh.
One night I stayed later at a friend of just mine's birthday party.
Only 1 of my dcats was home.
He never explained where the other one was...
I was too scared to ask.
Get out while you can op.

Daisymay2 · 16/01/2019 20:57

And he is threatening your pets??? He is vile.
You really need to think about leaving him - and taking the furries with you.

TooManyPaws · 16/01/2019 21:00

For your sake and the pets, get you and them out.

He is not in the least bit funny. He is a vile piece of shit with violence beneath a thin coat of civilisation.

My father was emotionally abusive so I know what it feels like and what it does. GET OUT AND TAKE THE ANIMALS WITH YOU.

Bringbackthestripes · 16/01/2019 21:03

Have my very first LTB.
Putting you down saying you don’t dress nicely and that no other man would put put up with your health problem is awful. Add the thinly veiled threats to tell secrets then accusing you of not having a sense of humour about it and saying that he is only joking, to make out that he is a nice guy and you are the one with the problem, is his way of eroding your confidence and controlling you. This is NOT part of a normal relationship.
He is emotionally abusive.

AnoukSpirit · 16/01/2019 21:05

He is extremely abusive.

I think you would find doing the Freedom Programme really helpful: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

It'll take away the doubt and confusion he has deliberately given you by pretending he's joking. "It's just a joke" is a common line from abusers. They can teach you what a healthy relationship looks like compared to the extremely abusive one you're in.

Don't tip him off though and don't warn him before you leave. Abuse is about power and control. If he thinks he's losing control of you he is likely to escalate.

If you need help with safety planning, call Women's Aid: 0808 2000 247.

CottonTailRabbit · 16/01/2019 21:06

Do you know how you would go about leaving him?

IsItThatTimeAgain · 16/01/2019 21:07

He's not joking, he's saying what he really means in a joking tone, that doesn't actually make it a joke.

It sounds like you don't have kids, run before you do.

Run now! None of that is acceptable.

MintyBunce · 16/01/2019 21:14

OP, if it was your friend asking you the same thing about her relationship, what would say to her? It's often easier to imagine seeing it from a different perspective.

starshollow1 · 16/01/2019 21:15

Definitely not normal OP. He sounds vile. Speak to someone at women's aid to get advice about how to best get out of this situation. Good luck Thanks

AdaColeman · 16/01/2019 21:16

When you decide to leave, play your cards very close to your chest and don't give him any hints that you are leaving.
Man like him turn very violent when they think their victim is about to escape, it is the riskiest time for abuse victims.

Seek the help of Womens' Aid for advice and practical help. Take care.

MissionItsPossible · 16/01/2019 21:16

Jesus Christ, he is a psychopath, you need to get away from him and fast.

Handprints2018 · 16/01/2019 21:25

He's abusive and, frankly, volatile. I would leave with your animals before he erodes all your self worth and hurts you and/or them.

Im not seeing any good points here and even if there were lots, all of your examples make him a horrible partner and pet owner.

AmIthatbloodycold · 16/01/2019 21:25

OP, how do you feel about him? Does he have any redeeming features?

Not that it matters I suppose

He sounds exactly like my exH. I should have left him much sooner than I did.

Please think about moving on, he sounds dangerous

stopthehunts · 16/01/2019 21:46

I still love him but I’m scared of him because his ‘jokes’ really make me wary.

I keep hoping he’ll change but it’s hard for someone to change when they don’t accept that they’re wrong.

Does anyone know any charities I can contact? What will I need to tell them? I’m scared to open up to someone. It’s much easier to type these things :(

OP posts:
magoria · 16/01/2019 21:52

OP go here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships there is a little section at the top with links to places that can help you.

Make sure to delete your browsing history after.

BusySnipingOnCallOfDuty · 16/01/2019 22:01

My ex used the "it was a joke" line all the time. Problems really started for him when he got called out for speaking to.me in the way he did, online where people could see.

ree348 · 16/01/2019 22:01

He's a bully. Leave before you're in too deep.

GeorgeTheHippo · 16/01/2019 22:15

Bless you. He's nasty and he won't change. Take your time. You are right and he is unpleasant and controlling. And likely to become violent in future, I would suspect.

newtlover · 16/01/2019 22:21

as all pp have said this is abusive, definitely
try and find a freedom programme near you and speak to womens aid
hide this thread and use am in private browser
maybe change your user name
turn location services off on your phone
if you have children, understand that they are suffering living with this man- if you don't be relieved as it will make getting out much easier

newtlover · 16/01/2019 22:23

yes, don't let him guess what you are thinking

Da1sycha1n · 16/01/2019 22:32

This isn’t normal or healthy. My ex-h was very similar and my biggest regret in life is that I didn’t get away sooner. This ‘joking’ is all designed to make you doubt yourself - your perception, your sense of humour etc etc. You’ll always be the one I’m the wrong in his opinion. Trust your gut instinct - he is NOT a nice man and this IS NOT the actions of someone loving.
You are worth far, far more than this. You do not deserve this.
You cannot change him.
You will always be unfairly criticised by him - he’ll moan that “if you do xyz everything will be ok..” and you’ll do xyz only for abc to now be wrong.
Please please make plans to leave, and leave. Do not have relationship counselling with him (but do have counselling alone so you can have it confirmed that HE IS WRONG, NOT YOU).
I wish I’d got out when I first realised my ex-h was abusive - the best years of my life were wasted trying to be ‘perfect’ whilst also waiting for him to change (because whenever I called him out on it, he’d deny, then admit it, then cry, then blame everyone else for how he behaved, change for a bit then revert to type. And rinse and repeat for years.

Chinks123 · 16/01/2019 22:32

Abusive. Please leave, I was once in a very similar situation myself. Pinning me down faux wrestling and when I said it hurt he got really angry and said I couldn’t take a joke. The ‘jokes’ are designed to test you and see how far you can be pushed.

It got worse until finally he started threatening my cat. We had many arguments about it where I begged him to leave her alone, it makes me feel sick to think how weak I was. Final straw when I found him choking her...I wish I was making this up but these people exist.

My cat is fine and happy by the way, and so am I now. (Without him!) It’s worrying to see other examples in this thread of people harming animals. Someone once told me it meant ex was a psychopath.