Biased BBC at it again pro-Bremain

[NotOnTheBench]

OK just turned on the news. Intro - report on latest appeal to accept her (PM's) deal...and we'll be going to York, which voted remain, for their opinions... and we also go to ... who voted leave

er, no, they aren't going to anywhere to discuss leave.

Ho hum unbiased reporting? Nope.

I think they try really hard to provide both sides because I see Nigel Farage et al all over the place! Problem is though the argument for leave is just not very strong is it? It's just emotive rhetoric... and so obviously the argument for remaining IS going to come a across better and as more sensible.... that's not bias that is accurate reporting.... no one is going to be able to report the leave campaign in a way that makes it make any sense

I think those that voted leave were under no illusions it was
A) going to be an easy transition
B) going to be a quick transition
C) going to be hassle free
You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.
To name call gets us nowhere. We must accept, as we do with any vote, the resulting fallout of the outcome of the decision; to self manage instead of leaving key decisions to an unelected body.
I also think that the behaviour of our elected representatives has been appalling. We have seen public displays of rowdiness, anger, snidiness, bullying, nastiness and hypocrisy.
Corbyn accused May of only looking out for the Tories. He has failed to make any useful suggestions or decisions about any part of this and lead his party but now sees an opportunity to get into number 10 with unicorn assurities that he and only he, can change the EU stance on the agreement. if sitting back and waiting for May to stumble is not looking out for Corbyns interests, I am not sure what is! Although tonight was the most animated I have ever seen him and all because he is opening the can of catfood as we speak.
What everyone seems to forget is that the EU are pulling all the strings here. No deal means no divorce payment of £39billion, no trade, no tourists etc until arrangements, contracts and agreements have been put into place. all are possible. As the imports from the EU to the UK exceed the opposite, the EU have much to lose.
I am just sick of those that lost the vote trying every trick in the book to reverse the decision.
The UK voted to leave, not based on what crumbs were thrown our way but on the principle of self rule. As for freedom of movement, this was originally laid down as freedom of movement of workers not people. There has always been an arrangement in place to remove those who fail to secure a position after X amount of time....We just chose not to implement it. We need those lower paid workers in seasonal jobs, carers, NHS etc. We don't need those that feature in documentaries who take the piss.
If the EU parliament had accepted the desire of many of the 27 to reform, none of this would have happened.

Cant make an ommelette without breaking eggs? thats what Stalin used to say.

Anyway, thats a load of rubbish Jamie.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-eu-liam-fox-boris-johnson-a7851656.html

Liam Fox saying Brexit vote will be the 'easiest in history'.

Tell me, if the majority of people now wanted to remain, why shouldnt we?

5 live radio was interviewing people about the vote at a pub quiz in Wigan tonight. 64% Leave vote and there was only one table of remainers in the place. Couldn't they at least have tried to find somewhere where the leave vote was around 50%?

Well said @aconcertpianist and @Jamiefraserskilt.

R4 Farming Today featuring some very serious people with very serious worries. This is what we should be hearing, and generally are not.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00020zy

The bbc are so left wing bias it’s absolutely disgraceful.

To think we pay a licence and yet they are allowed to be so pro EU and left wing bias is outrageous.

Laura Kussenbourg is the worst. So unbelievably left wing bias and how she gets away with it is beyond me.

I refuse to watch the BBC news as it’s so cleverly edited- eg the clips they show from PMQ are always trying to showi JC in a good light but if you watch PMQ yourself then the picture you get is very different.

I hate the BBC.

Just read your post JamieFraser

Very good post and absolutely correct.

Actually, you voted for something known rather than something unknown, undefined and unquantified.
How did remain voters vote for something known? Do you know the future of the EU? The EU looks very different from the EEC of the 70s so please remain voters, enlighten me as to the future of the EU. What did you vote for if you voted for remain? What are the implications going forward if we remain?

Well we have a veto on anything we don't like, that's why we are not in Schengen, or the euro.

One broken egg is one of my best friends whose small high street business folded today, making a number of staff redundant. The reason, as she can clearly demonstrate, is the 15-25% increase in costs suffered since the brexit vote that caused the pound to plummet.

Total remainer here however, I fully acknowledge the BBC coverage has been embarrassingly biased in our favour

The BBC is not biased in favour of remain. It regularly gives an unchallenged platform to all manner to all manner of brexiteer, e.g. Dimbleby sat there silent whilst the Wetherspoons CEO spewed out all manner of outrageous lies that no UK politician this side of Tommy Robinson would ever dare to associate him or herself with.

I don't think any Remain supporter who thinks the BBC demonstrates a pro-Remain bias can have been listening to/watching+ the same programmes as I have.

I think those that voted leave were under no illusions it was
A) going to be an easy transition
B) going to be a quick transition
C) going to be hassle free

Threads on here have been full of threads saying what a peice of piss this was all going to be for years now

Its only in the last 6 months or so that the tone seems to have changed

And i think coverage has been fairly even stevens on the telly

Not at all in the newspapers!!!

@Jamiefraserskilt
What rubbish, people were told it would be easy, easiest deal in history, we hold all the cards etc. There has been so much backtracking from Leavers, voters and politicians. I personally know two leave voters who a week after the referendum were suprised to leave that we were still in the EU and hadn't left already. I read a YouGov (I think) survey a while ago that most people, even now, think No Deal means we just leave the EU and nothing changes in terms of trade. In fairness, in most other situations no deal DOES mean nothing changes, you just stick with the status quo.

How did remain voters vote for something known? Do you know the future of the EU? The EU looks very different from the EEC of the 70s so please remain voters, enlighten me as to the future of the EU. What did you vote for if you voted for remain? What are the implications going forward if we remain?

Nobody can predict the future, but the remain voters knew our current situation - that is 'known'. They voted to stick with their current hand, and whilst it's true that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a winning hand in the future, it's a quantifiable hand in the present.
Leave voters voted for a number of theoretical hands depending on who they listened too - most of which were misleading, impossible or naive.

50 years down the line, we MIGHT be better off out. Nobody can say.
The next 10-20 years are likely to be a costly transition IF we are to eventually be better off. I really do not believe the majority of leave voters where voting on that basis though.

As the imports from the EU to the UK exceed the opposite, the EU have much to lose.

The UK's imports more than it exports (with the EU) as you rightly say, but your conclusion is flawed.

You are making the assumption that they need us to buy their goods and don't want to lose us as a customer.
However, it also means we rely on their goods more than they rely on ours.
It ALSO means that as a percentage of our imports, the EU is 53%. Half our goods come from there.
But from the EU side... we are only 16% of their exports.

And that my friend is why the EU holds the cards, and always has.
It is still a painful divorce for both, but more so for the UK.

Despite all of that, it's not really the nations that trade with each other per se - it's businesses, and businesses will still want to trade in the best way possible. Sadly, for EU businesses, trading with the UK will be hindered - so the 'much better deals' we are supposed to obtain will have to come from outside the EU. Rather unfortunate when the two biggest non-EU markets are USA (looking to buy their own) and China.

Still we can always sell lamb to New Zealand, and cars to Japan or something.