Biased BBC at it again pro-Bremain

[NotOnTheBench]

OK just turned on the news. Intro - report on latest appeal to accept her (PM's) deal...and we'll be going to York, which voted remain, for their opinions... and we also go to ... who voted leave

er, no, they aren't going to anywhere to discuss leave.

Ho hum unbiased reporting? Nope.

Not bizarre at all. Banjo stated that no one should have voted if they didn't know what they voted for. It doesn't work like that. People vote as they choose for all sorts of reasons - objectively there is no wrong or right. I can believe someone made the wrong decision though.

Pro-Common Sense.

A new vote now people know truths and voting on the facts can't be a bad thing.

no one should have voted if they didn't know what they voted for.

But they did.

I have name changed for good reason.

I voted leave and I knew exactly what I was voting for. Contrary to what some vociferous Remainers believe, I am not an idiot for doing so.

I appreciate why Remainers may have a difference of opinion from myself. So not unreasonably, I would expect them to appreciate my differing opinion without resorting to vicious name calling and belittling.

Unfortunately there seems to be a growing case, especially among the younger Remain voters that their opinion is the only one that matters and that anybody that does not agree with them cannot have a voice. This is occurring frequently in universities in the guise of "no platforming", and stifling of serious debate.

Surely the way to respond to different viewpoints that you don't agree with is to discuss and debate whilst acknowledging and respecting our differences.

I voted leave and I knew exactly what I was voting for

But a lot didn't. That's the point, a new vote with facts known is needed and fair.

The Brussels Broadcasting Commision has always been pro EU.
a new vote with facts known is needed and fair.
Bollocks

I voted leave and I knew exactly what I was voting for

Well said. The ballot paper said "Leave the European Union", and people chose this even though hard Brexit was a potential outcome. It isn't rocket science, but the remainers have been wasting everyone's time trying to undermine the vote at every turn.

Personally I think we should have walked away long ago. Of course no deal is better than a bad deal and WTO isn't the end of the world.

How many remainers knew the EU originated from a CIA funded superstate plan from the 1950s, deliberately disguised as a simple trading agreement? Who can say what the EU will be like in the future, when it's too late to leave?

Why should money take priority over independence? Poor but free is a valid and respectable preference.

FFS

The idea that now we "know what Brexit is like" is wrong. We haven't even left yet!

The fact that both sides are claiming bias says it all really. If you’re looking for bias you’re always going to find it.

March can’t come sooner for me and this whole bloody thing, is for the most part, overand I’m a remainer. Both sides are guilty of exactly the same thing, it’s either going to be apocalyptic or a nirvana post Brexit.

Thankfully the Dutch government have given up waiting for the British government to get their shit together and have said I can stay in the Netherlands if there’s no deal.

@WhatTheForkingHell

Why do Remainers keep saying that? That people did not know what they were voting for?

Leave meant to not be a member state of the EU. Leave meant to not follow the rules of the EU if we choose not to.

Leave did not mean to be so aligned with the EU that the only difference would be that we do not have any say in the rules that the EU makes but we have to follow. Leave did not mean that we pay a hefty divorce bill AND continue to pay contributions ad infinitum.

Given that kind of leaving the EU then we might as well remain in the EU paying our contributions AND with a voice.

So given Theresa May's "Deal", let's have another referendum with the same binary choice with proper implementation. That is leave or remain. Because as we have been repeatedly told, the best "deal" going is staying in the EU. So bring it on. There could though be a result that no one expected, again!

Why do Remainers keep saying that? That people did not know what they were voting for?

Because there have been a lot of people interviewed that say that.

Look, you can argue until the cows come home, but a lot of people did vote on questionable information.

Now things are known, just vote again. If leavers are so sure of themselves then what's the problem. Voting on facts is true democracy.

Why do Remainers keep saying that? That people did not know what they were voting for?

Because there was nothing specific to vote for so it was imposssible to know. There was much talk of EEA/Norway. Lots of discussion of keeping all the bits of the single market we like without the bits we don't, which was never legally possible as the Single Market is created by legislation. There were people who talked about signing trade deals around the world but still trading tariff free with the EU - again not possible. You had to do your research to know these things weren't possible. If you just listened to BoJo and Farage on the news or read the pamphlets that came through the door, you might accept what they said at face-value.

How could people know what exactly they were voting for when it was not made clear? To be fair to TM, I actually think the agreement she has negotiated is the only one that meets her big red line about immigration but limits the economic damage compared to no deal and upholds the border in Ireland. Of course its incomparably worse than our current position, but the bottom line is, if immigration is supposedly the be all and end all, there is a big price to pay economically and in terms of influence.

I read one interview where the pro-Brexit interviewee said she would never vote again because she didn’t understand wha5 the hold-up is about, she said “would there have been all this to-do if the Remainers had won?”

Bless her.

Leave did not mean to be so aligned with the EU that the only difference would be that we do not have any say in the rules that the EU makes but we have to follow.

It is impossible for us not to remain aligned with the EU, at least for customs purposes, because of Northern Ireland. We are the only EU member state in this unique position of having a very volatile border between part of our Kingdom and an existing member state.

The only way around this would be putting a customs border in the Irish Sea. I think the government would have gone for this if they were not constrained by needing the support of the DUP.

As a remainer, I think the BBC are horribly biased towards the idiots who voted for Brexit!

I don't know when the now oft repeated refrain that all Leave voters must be thick and ill informed began to be accepted as fact but it has been a very successful-if poorly thought through- campaign.

Clearly, it is incorrect to say that more than half of those who voted are thick. If it were true, what an indictment on the social and educational infrastructures of this country.

Thick people voted for both sides, as did intelligent people-no one side had more than its fair quota of both.

That said, the very weak arguments brought forward by the losing side do lead even the most unbiased person to ponder their approach-and ability to perform- joined up thinking.

They sometimes complain that the vote is invalid because not everyone voted. Yes, they did because choosing not to vote is a declaration as much as putting a cross in the box. They had their chance-whatever side they were on- and they ignored it. In turn, they are now too ignored, which is how it should be.

As many say if only all those no shows had voted, Remain would have won, then the no shows must all have been on the Remain side. Did they make a conscious decision to not vote or or were they a bit dim?

They complain that young people did not have a voice. Everyone over the age of 18 was entitled to vote.

They say that, as the result will impact on future generations, the age requirement for voting should be lowered. Alas, it is always the case that those who are not age eligible to vote will always have to live with the consequences that their elders voted for. It was ever thus.

To follow the logic of lowering the age requirement, one would have to take into account that 5 year olds will have to live longer with the consequences than 16 year olds, so following the argument they should be able to vote too. Why not? There has to be a cut off point and 18 is the legal voting age.

Most people voted in what they hoped would be their own best self interest and although I haven't undertaken a survey, I would be surprised if that wasn't the case on both sides of the vote. Altruism rarely plays a part.

So, calling one side thick is outrageous, although I imagine that this tired old insult will be trotted out for quite some time interestingly, and quite amusingly, by those who quite often lack the ability to string a simple sentence together.

I voted Leave and I am not thick, racist or gullible.

Well actually everybody over the age of 18 was not allowed to vote, those who are entitled to vote in the UK and who live in EU countries were not allowed to vote in the referendum. I think you’ll find that, had they not been effectively disenfranchised, their votes would have tipped the scale the other way but don’t let that little fact spoil your day.

How CAN a leaver claim to have known EXACTLY what they were voting for when a deal had not been agreed?

Are they saying they agreed to leave the EU at any cost? in which case, that's worrying as it's not a quantifiable cost, and how do they feel about the potential 'deal' with still means we have agreements in place with the EU which doesn't set us entirely free from them (and was never going to).

It might also be fair to say plenty of remainers might also not be aware of exactly what we have with the EU - as it's a complex relationship with good and bad points and in truth, too many agreements for anybody to fully be aware of, but it's ultimately quantifiable (in theory). Leaving the EU could never be quantified as at the time of voting, we didn't know what the 'divorce' would consist of.

It's akin to someone saying 'I chose to get a divorce and knew precisely what it would entail and cost'. How?

I have some sympathy with a leave voter who argues 'in the long term, I believe the UK is best forging its own partnerships'. Fine. I disagree with it, but I can accept that.

But we are talking 20 years+ to get there and it's a hell of a gamble that cost of our Brexit divorce can be recovered in that time.

I have no sympathy with those that seem to believe we will succeed in a matter of a few short years, or more staggeringly, we'll be footloose and fancy free almost overnight.

Sadly, I fear a significant proportion of the UK are binge drinking, chain smoking, racist bigots who are all too easily persuaded to rally against Johnny Foreigner at any opportunity. That significant proportion was enough to cause us to vote leave.

@InSightMars

Did you know about this 'fact' before the Referendum? (I place 'fact' in inverted commas because I do know that British people living in Spain voted.)

If so, did you highlight it anywhere? Where? If you didn't raise it anywhere, why not?

If you didn't know. why do you know now? Has someone told you? Is that a biased person or organisation? Why do you trust them? If you found it out for yourself, what put it into your head to go rootling about for it after the result? Would some unkind people feel that the words' grasping' and 'straw' would feature?

If, however, it is true-as you have presented it-with nor nuances or riders- how do you know that the votes of all these people would have tipped the balance? Are you basing it upon a feeling, a small sample-how small- or have you conducted a full survey?

I was minding my own business this weekend and talking to a friend in a pub when the subject of Brexit came up. He said ' well of course ALL those that voted Brexit are stupid and thick and just don't understand anything ' bullshit bullshit .

I am just SICK of hearing Remainers spout off endless drivel about us Brexiters inabilities to make sensible and informed decisions.

We all knew EXACTLY what we were voting for and I don't know a single Brexiteer who has changed their mind from their original decision ✅

fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAg_HhBRDNARIsAGHLV50A6nNnwooU47SYq9BqrO3_qvP7ioxygpvB6_0S-gHvjNw4D5KnGoUaAs5fEALw_wcB

If you were living abroad (anywhere in the world) and a British citizen registered to vote in the General Election in the last 15 years, you could vote.

We all knew EXACTLY what we were voting for

What did you vote for?
What was the trading agreement with the EU that you voted for?
When you voted for the sovereignty of our laws did you vote to inherit all the current EU laws or not?

How did you know exactly what you were voting for when nobody knew exactly what we'd get?

Bbc - you mean Boris broadcasting corperation?

How many times has a man wgo isnt even the leader of his party or an elected MP ie nigel farage been on question time???????
The bbc have pretty much been his mouth piece through this whole damn thing.