Biased BBC at it again pro-Bremain

[NotOnTheBench]

OK just turned on the news. Intro - report on latest appeal to accept her (PM's) deal...and we'll be going to York, which voted remain, for their opinions... and we also go to ... who voted leave

er, no, they aren't going to anywhere to discuss leave.

Ho hum unbiased reporting? Nope.

@TornFromTheInside

Your link, from my understanding, says that EU citizens living in the UK couldn't vote....that seems perfectly fair.

It also, again from my understanding, says that British citizens living abroad for more than 15 years, couldn't vote...again, seems perfectly fair.

Well Remainders say that Brexiters didn't know what they were voting for because...... THEY DIDN'T. We had no idea what a Brexit deal might łook like at the time of the referendum. Leavers were voting for a completely abstract concept at that time.

Also, many were swayed by a campaign which was telling outright lies! Lies about the finances of leaving versus staying, immigration statistics and much more.

As for the BBC I've long found their coverage deplorably right wing. The idea that they're biased towards Brexit is unfortunately way off.

To be honest though something should be done to redress the balance a bit, one of the TWO leave campaigns used strategies to identify and target swing voters which left the ONE remain campaign massively on the back foot. Oh, that and the lies.

Why do Remainers keep saying that? That people did not know what they were voting for?

Ive said this on another thread, theres a lot of leavers that knew exactly what they were voting for, indeed a lot of leavers that kniw more about the situation than a lot of remainers, there's also a lot of remainers that understand and know the situation than a lot of those that votes leave.

There are also a lot of of people who really didnt know, didnt bother to look in to the pros and cons of either side of the debate and were just swayed by big buses going around the country with £350 million for the NHS written on them. There are people that are now going why is TM talking about trade just give the NHS the money you promised, whats ireland got to do with the EU, I voted leave so the NHS would get money. Those people admit they didnt really understand or know what they were voting for, they still dont.

Thats not to say all leavers dont understand, but there are a lot of people who were taken in by statements.

Of course this may well have been true of people who voted remain too. But the fact that people have come out and said oh i only voted leave because of these pne or two statements i didnt know it would have an affect on jobs/trade/immegration/visas etc, gives remainers ammo that leavers werent very informed and didnt want to be.

Sorry, but I can't remember the ballot paper saying "Do you want to leave the EU with a deal to stay half in and half out of the EU" or similar.

No the questions just focused on leaving or staying. Walking out the door or staying with the status quo. Such an easy question. But strangely it seems to be the Remainers that do not understand what the question "Do you want to leave the EU" means and they say we Leavers are the idiots.

And also, wanting to leave was not all about immigration. Remainers want to pin the result solely on that one thing as an excuse to call all Leavers racists and to make themselves feel superior. But sorry to burst the Remainers bubble, but a lot of us have seen the EU in action and the route they are headed on, hence the decision to leave.

Uh, yeah we know we were voting on whether or not to leave the EU. The point being you had no idea what that would mean for the country! I mean what did you think the repercussions were going to be? Does the deal being discusses resemble what you thought would happen? Or did you not really consider any of that and just voted leave because it had a nice ring to it?

Big red bus and money to NHS - propoganda

£9.3m cost to taxpayers of leaflets delivered to every household spouting immediate doom and gloom if we leave - propoganda

Every side makes promises, some of which they deliver, others the don't. Exaggeration and twisting the truth? Underhand tactics displayed? Yes, on both sides.

And so it continues with Theresa May running down the clock on the Parliamentary vote on her deal, trying to blackmail MPs into agreeing to a bad deal for the UK/good deal for the EU.

As far as I can tell, everyone who voted leave voted for different scenarios. They couldn't vote for brexit because brexit didn't exist back then. It was a concept. What May has come up with now, that's your actual brexit. So actually you've voted for something that was only defined two and a half years after you gave it the ok. Fine if you think that's a good use of your democratic rights, but perhaps don't be surprised if other people think you've done something a bit stupid.

Notanidiot, how May's deal differs from whatever was in your pointy fucking head when you put your cross on the ballot was beside the point. You voted for something that didn't exist. Now you're being told the details of what you freely voted for, and in doing so dragged the 48% of the country who disagreed with you along, and you have the nerve whinge about it? Maybe you should have thought a bit more fucking carefully.

Nerve to whinge about it.

@ SheAlreadyDoneHadHerses. Leave means leaving with no deal rather than a bad deal for the UK. And unlike a lot of people that have grown up thinking short term in nearly every aspect of their lives, wanting immediate satisfaction, I am thinking what I think will benefit the UK in the long term.

Now now Franheaton! Didn't your mother tell you it was rude to swear and to insult people for exercising their democratic right to vote and to vote how they want?

My dear old ma, God love her, was a child in WWII, lived through the rebuilding of the UK and unification of Europe and she not only agrees with me but is also horrified at what you've done.

To be honest, the only thing I want to hear from the leave supporters is them admitting they hadn’t got a bloody clue what they were voting for.

Yet again a remain voter that knows every in and out of how the EU works and how all of its benefits outweigh any negatives.

So sure that the day we leave britain will currently resemble a 3rd world he'll hole.

Amazing how all remainers are so political while leavers agree all racist, fascist, morons.

To be clear though I did vote remain. But I don't think for one second I had ask the necessary facts to hand. I voted with my gut and a feeling that we're better together.

Actually, you voted for something known rather than something unknown, undefined and unquantified. You may not have personally known the ins and outs of the entire EU but you knew that it existed. That puts you several evolutionary notches above the people now saying "but this is the wrong type of brexit".

Leavers are so defensive about being called "thick", it'd ridiculous. To have had a really good idea of what Brexit would entail,one would need expertise in international trade law, constitutional law, and economics. Very few people understand it all. Doesn't mean you're "thick". I don't understand Rocket Science. Doesn't mean I'm thick, just means I'm not trained and qualified in it

The airtime given to Farage for years is a disgrace.

Turkeys voted voted for Christmas and I think would again in a 2 nd referendum.

BBC well named the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. Wheels out endless Tory Brexiteers and very rarely calls out their misinformation and lies. I recently complained about the Today programme for letting Esther McVeigh prattle on about WTO rules, which she clearly knew nothing about. For many years the BBC gave UKIP a voice as though it was a political party with elected representatives in Parliament by having Farage on more Any Questions/Question Time than just about anyone else. I rarely listen any more and if I do it’s with my sceptical hat on. I blame the BBC equally with self interested and ignorant politicians and meddling mendacious print media for the appalling situation we find ourselves in at present.

I would argue that neither the majority of leavers or remainers know what they are voting for. In 10 years time what will ever closer union look like, what war will be fighting on behalf of the EU army with very little say in it, will the Franco German leadership block still lead the way or will Italy, Poland and other countries be in charge leading to mass financial and cultural instability. For me it’s never been about immigration, it’s been constant worry that our influence is being diluted the more countries allowed into the EU and the effect on our future, I would not have chosen to leave now, but if things continue as they are in EU politics, we might end up wishing we’d left at some point in the near future.

There is a big difference between voting in a government for 5 years maximum, which will likely affect one's day to day life, and making a constitutional change to the country the results of which will probably not be felt by the majority of the 65+ voters who mostly influenced the result of the referendum. My own parents in their 70s despair of their peers, most of whom are leave voters, and have even said that they shouldn't have got to vote as the decision won't affect them. (Not saying I agree with them but...)

In 2016 I had an argument with an American about what was worse, Trump or Brexit, and we concluded that at least Trump will be gone in 5 years or so, worst case scenario....
The idea of being a lone, tiny little sovereign island in the future global marketplace, with no one looking our way to even see that we're proudly waving our blue passports is a depressing picture that most of the 65+ voters won't have to endure seeing, just their children and grandchildren they've left up shit creek. So thanks.

My parents thought they were voting leave in order to give more money to the NHS. That's what it said on the side of the bus, right? How people can say that stupid bus had no effect I cannot begin to understand. My parents now agree they were lied to and want a second referendum to be able to correct their mistake. I think there are a lot of leave voters out there in the same position - they're not shouting loudly on the internet but they're out there. Enough to make a difference to the razor thin margins that leave won by.

I think we need a second referendum due to the lies that were told and the illegal campaign activity that has been proved to have occurred during the 2016 referendum. When I say this leavers tend to respond "oh there were lies and overspend etc on both sides". Fine, if you think so let's have another referendum where those activities don't occur on either side!

The difficulty comes in policing and enforcing fairness in a new referendum and that's what I think this government needs to turn it's attention to now. Surely we can work cross party on this issue? And there is plenty of work to be done. Already reports are coming out of massive spends on facebook currently by shadowy unknown pro leave groups. This has to stop - surely for example facebook can be banned from running political adverts that are completely unregulated.

My mother voted leave because of that stupid bus. She thought it meant she’d get her cataracts seen to quicker.

bangs head against brick wall forever

Both right and left (any government of the day), plus leave AND remain have accused the BBC of bias. Corbyn supporters say their biased leavers think their biased....(you get the picture). Probably means they are fairly balanced. They really really do take balance seriously. In my opinion it makes them too cautious (they can't accept upsetting climate deniers so every time science stories about global warming are on they feel they must present the balanced alternative- but it's not really balanced as climate denying is a minority belief

I read one interview where the pro-Brexit interviewee said she would never vote again because she didn’t understand wha5 the hold-up is about, she said “would there have been all this to-do if the Remainers had won?” Bless her.

Ha - yes I read that, in the Guardian I think. Definitely a head-scratching moment!

What the fuck do leavers want? They won the referendum. We’re leaving. But no that’s not enough. Everything on the airwaves must also be 100% pro Brexit propaganda too.

Should we all be forced to smile and say we’re all really happy about it too like North Korea or something?

There’s actually a really totalitarian fascist element amongst the most fervent leave supporters and its deeply concerning. It’s either that or deep down they’re so worried they made the wrong call they are desperate for everyone else to pretend all is good in order to reassure them.

The whole Brexit situation would make an excellent case study in mass hysteria and mental health. I’m certain papers are already being written.

And if anything the BBC deserve to be referred on to the relevant watchdog for the airtime given to Farage to spread his fantasies. He’s now ridden off into the sunset with his massive EU pension in tact whilst the people who voted for him will lose their jobs. The BBC played a dangerous game for ratings but in the end they ruined their reputation. I for one don’t get my news from them anymore, same with anyone I know.