To ask what you think about these vegan protests

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6589687/Vegans-storm-ethical-grocery-store-protest-hurl-abuse-customers-staff.html

Sorry don’t know how to do a clicky link. I admire vegans but don’t have the willpower myself to give up cheese and fish and realistically never will. Witnessing this kind of protest would irritate me though, especially if I was trying to get on with my shopping. What do you think, admirable or annoying?

They're a bunch of idiots, and completely going about it the wrong way.

People always criticise the style of a movement when really what they dislike is what the movement stands for.

How should they go about it? In their minds, humans are committing wholesale murder, a holocaust in fact. That's a very violent thing, so how on earth should they respond? In a way that people would listen?

There's no such thing as vegan though. How many insects, worms, rodents, birds etc. are killed in the process of ploughing up land to plant vegetables, then during harvesting? What about pesticide use? Even organic farming causes deaths.

What Boy George said Don't give it oxygen

I don't mind vegans if they don't preach, judge or try to guilt you into becoming vegan too.

What I don't like is fucking irritants such as those in the article.

Lilyhatesjaz You are suggesting that because pet cats are carnivores, the best thing from a vegan point of view would be to put all cats to sleep? Vegans love animals so much they want to kill millions of them? I've heard it all now.

What about all the other carnivores on the planet then? The snow leopard? The blue whale? The golden eagle?

How should they go about it? In their minds, humans are committing wholesale murder, a holocaust in fact.

A holocaust. FFS.

They wouldn't even be standing in that shop if humans hadn't committed that 'holocaust' for millenia.

And again, equating a certain group of humans with animals is really offensive.

Honestly.

the vegans protest outside our local abattoir/farm/cafe.
they annoy me intensely

be a vegan but let other people decide what they eat for themselves.

Lumps - there are vegans out there who do believe all carnivorous species should be killed so that herbivores can 'live in peace'.

It's a pretty common viewpoint that animals are better off dead than in captivity of any kind. Check out the boss of peta's views for one!

the local vegan protest do it on mondays, i believe. The Save Movement. It is meant to be a peaceful vigil, but I wonder if it really is

Beer you make some good points. In days gone by and in many parts of the world people still need /needed animals to survive. But for me it's about the here and now, in the U.K. with an abundance of other good food sources so do I still need to eat an animal or wear it's skin to survive and thrive. And the honest answer is no🤷🏻‍♀️

I do get that. In the West we have an abundance of food so we can survive on a vegan diet (although there are obviously issues with shipping certain foods halfway round the world and how that effects the people who locally grow those foods).

But I see stuff like this and think that there must be lots of vegans out there who think no one should be eating meat, that using animals for human consumption is wrong in itself, and wonder whether that view extends to everyone across the world. Because if you believe what is in these quotes, then presumably you don't think that any human should be eating animal products, that animals and humans are equal?

In a way that people would listen?

Find me one person who has become (and remained) vegan because of these people and their actions?

I find that taking my friends to nice vegan restaurants is more effective.

Teenagers probably would be influenced to become vegan by this, for kicks and herd mentality

Straight same here. Just getting on with life,showing friends and family that I'm not dying of protein deficiency whilst eating delicious food is the best way.

However I do support activism when they target big ruthless corporations. For example Viva exposed the dreadful conditions that a farm kept its pigs in last year. Tescos being the main supplier of that meat. Since then the farmer has been fined and has had to improve the squalid conditions those poor animals were kept in. Tescos has had to look to improve its sporadic half assed checks on its suppliers.
Unnecessary suffering (and those pigs were suffering terribly) has no place in modern farming imo.

“In the way that slavery, once a broad social norm, later became an unthinkable crime, we can expect to see a similar shift once meat-eating disappears from our planet. Perhaps, someday, the very idea of eating animal flesh will seem as remote as the idea of owning humans does now”. —Jim Motavalli, foreignpolicy.com

I am always intrigued by how vegans envisage the countryside will look if all became vegan...

I guess, no farms, just huge corporations intensively farming crops, no country shows, thousands of farmers livelihoods gone, derelict farmhouses and buildings.
No sound of lambs in the fields.
No moorland ponies, just acres of overgrown unmanaged moors..as the stock who graze it will be gone, no New forest ponies. ( not because we eat them but it is farmers who manage them largely, and there will be no farmers)

Generations of countryside skills lost forever.

Thousands of species of other animals will die out as without farm animals their environment will change dramatically.

Are horses to be gone too, is riding unacceptable? Life without cats, dogs, pet rabbits and guinea pigs.

This is not a world l would wish to live in ...

Would a vegan please explain this to me?

I don't know what other people think but for me pets are fine. But for example using horses to pull tourists around city's etc aren't. But that's just me.

Country shows without animals is fine by me. Farmers transitioning to other things/crops/industries that's also fine by me. Farm houses would be snapped up by other people to live in. Moorland wild ponies, no reason why they can't still roam.

Hearing lambs in a field is not a good enough reason to still continue to slaughter them🤷🏻‍♀️.

Do I personally think the world will all go vegan? nope not for one minute. Not by choice anyway. But I do think that population growth along side of science will create a different sort of world for our grandchildren than I had.

And the introduction of cultured meat will be a big game changer over the next 10 years. This is all just my opinion of course.