Unqualified teacher salary

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I posted this is in work but didn’t get any replies. I have been working as a cover supervisor in a secondary school for the last couple of months, first role in a school environment me still learning classroom management ect. After Christmas I was asked to take on teaching as some of the teachers are over their hours. I am only teaching 11 out of 30 periods, the other periods I am either supporting or covering lessons. I am somewhat supported with this but left to my own devices so I am planning my own lessons. At the minute I am with an agency and being paid 70 pound a day but it seems likely that I might be employed by the school directly. Though I am not a full time unqualified teacher I am doing this role along side of my cover role and think if I am offered the job my salary should reflect this. What would be a fair salary that I should expect?

There are no national pay scales so you need to see what it says in the school's pay policy. You could look at the STPCD to see what it suggests for unqualified teacher pay scale.

There’s an unqualified teacher pay scale so you could use that. I’d expect to be paid unqualified teacher rate for the lessons you teach, and cover supervisor rate for the ones you just cover. You should get paid PPA of 10% for your teaching hours.

A newly qualified teacher earns approx £100 a day.

Unqualified teacher? I'm out of date with schools, what on earth is going on? Who employs unqualified teachers and what do you do? Is this another government money saver?

Thank you! I think being paid unqualified teaching pay and then cover pay for the rest of my hours would be fair! I don’t expect it to be that much more then I am bei paid now. I am just cautious of being taken advantage of as I am aware of co workers at the same agency just doing cover with same experience being paid more but I don’t want to seem grabby.

Just curious- what are you teaching?

I can tell you there definitely is an unqualified teacher pay scale. Talk to the HR person at your school/Trust, they will be able to give you guidance,

Local authority schools can only employ teachers with a degree. Academies can employ anybody as a teacher, as an unqualified teacher, and pay them a lot less than a fully trained and qualified teacher.

CHeck out the pay scale and don't let them take advantage of you. I take it it's an academy?

Gosh, I thought state schools had to employ teachers that were qualified to PgCE standard and a degree in the subject they taught.
I'm glad mine is private.

According to the tes
www.tes.com/articles/unqualified-teachers-pay-scales

I thought state schools had to employ teachers that were qualified to PgCE standard and a degree in the subject they taught.

Gove changed the rules, academies can hire whoever they like.

You need to sort out whether it’s the agency or the school that is paying you because that’s who you need to negotiate with. Agencies are loathe to lose staff who are capable and therefore earn them money without any hassle but the school will have a budget and some of that will go to the agency. If the school want to pay you directly, you need to look at the terms and conditions of your agency contract and the school needs to do the same - most agencies would charge a ‘finders fee’.

Unqualified teacher? I'm out of date with schools, what on earth is going on? Who employs unqualified teachers and what do you do? Is this another government money saver?

Been going on for years. Qualified and experienced teachers can be paid as little as £65 per day to work on daily supply. There is no requirement to have a qualified teacher deliver ‘cover’. Teachers have been shouting for years but unfortunately, as threads on here show, all the public care about are the long holidays and how we don’t have the monopoly on hard work. The consequence is the current mass exodus which is little short of diasastrous but is still not registering as problematic with the electorate.

@RomanyRoots , private schools can also employ who they like, qualified or unqualified

I agree it is problematic! If I had a choice I would rather just cover but teachers at the academy are buried in paperwork and working over their teaching hours.

Ted

I know, thank God all ours are qualified, mostly with years of experience.

Gosh, I thought state schools had to employ teachers that were qualified to PgCE standard and a degree in the subject they taught.
I'm glad mine is private.
Private school teachers aren't always qualified to PGCE standard. Many don't have any teaching qualifications. A friend of mine was appalled to discover at the expensive boarding school her child was at some teachers had no teaching qualifications.

Romany roots- private schools have never had to employ qualified teachers and many don’t. They do usually (but not always) employ people to teach who have a degree of some sort.
Academies only have to employ one qualified teacher per school, for example the head teacher, to supervise the work of the adults leading the classes. They often employ more qualified teachers than the required minimum. The adults leading classes do not need any qualifications, but the qualified teacher needs to consider them to be competent.

I guess we are lucky they are all qualified teachers and have degrees.
I'm pretty sure they were in the state schools our other dc attended, as they were usually NQT, as cheaper for the schools. This was before Academies though.
We seem to be going backwards.

I'm sure there are still plenty of parents who neither know nor care that their child's school can put anyone with a pulse in front of classes.

Private schools are actually worse in some ways. Lots of their teachers have very good university qualifications, but little teaching qualifications. And high academic achieves do not almost ever make the best teachers imo.

No such thing in Scotland thank god. Surely an unqualified teacher isn't actually a teacher at all? You wouldn't take your child to an unqualified 'doctor' would you?

Outraged, didn't realise Gove's grubby mitts had done this to the semi privatised state sector although I knew about the longstanding lower standards for private schoo!s. Don't be offended OP, I'm not traducing the quality of your work but the relentless downgrading and defunding of our established institutions by this parsimonious and contemptuous government.

Ohreally

Had no idea re the ratios of qualified teachers to non qualified permitted.

I did speak to a woman who was a maths teacher at a tech college who was then employed as a French teacher in a secondary school - she basically learned the language alongside the kids. 🤔

A friend of mine who is both a teacher and head of department at a well-regarded and well-known private school doesn't even have a degree, let alone teaching qualifications - but she knows her stuff.