Unqualified teacher salary

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I posted this is in work but didn’t get any replies. I have been working as a cover supervisor in a secondary school for the last couple of months, first role in a school environment me still learning classroom management ect. After Christmas I was asked to take on teaching as some of the teachers are over their hours. I am only teaching 11 out of 30 periods, the other periods I am either supporting or covering lessons. I am somewhat supported with this but left to my own devices so I am planning my own lessons. At the minute I am with an agency and being paid 70 pound a day but it seems likely that I might be employed by the school directly. Though I am not a full time unqualified teacher I am doing this role along side of my cover role and think if I am offered the job my salary should reflect this. What would be a fair salary that I should expect?

@noblegiraffe I stand corrected.

The person who posted about a teacher learning French as s/he taught it should be aware that teachers are employed to teach any subject to whomever the Head decides to put in front of them. I have a degree in the subject I teach plus a PGCE but I have been asked to teach ICT and Business Studies plus some History & Science to special needs pupils in previous schools. I have no qualifications in History, ICT or Business and one Science O level. I have run a couple of businesses and worked in a corporate environment for a couple of years so found the Business Studies ok.

Obviously in a secondary school, it makes sense to have subject specialists, and for those to teach their main subject. However, there are shortages of many subjects such as Maths and Physics, and in some schools, those subjects are taught by whoever is cheapest.

I taught ict for years before I was actually qualified and I have a science degree. I only did my pgce after 10 years of teaching. It taught me nothing at all! I learnt all on the job. The theory is a tak box in my opinion. It's literally a piece of paper. If you have a certain standard of education then I believe you can teach any subject with planning and support. My degree is science but i teach up go A level ICT and have done since graduation.

Unqualified but experienced tea gets can be far far superior to qualified teachers

I'm a Cover Supervisor. I teach lessons in English, Maths, Science, Humanities, DT, FT, RM, French and PE. I am paid shit money (take home just over £1000 a month). I care very much about my job and I do my absolute best, but I think it's atrocious that your children may have someone like me teach a core subject long term. To be clear, I'm university educated and smart as a tack, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm not a qualified teacher and I'm not a subject specialist. No one seems to give a shit. As a pp said - all anyone ever seems to comment on is the holidays, which is unbelievable when you understand how completely fucked the education system is in this country.

For those unqualified in schools - may I suggest adult education - even 13 years ago the pay was £120 per day unqualified!

Blimey - I would be mighty pissed off my dc language teachers had previously little knowlege of the language their teaching. Is that one of the reasons we don’t do well as country in taught languages? Can’t get the staff?

Happens a lot more than you probably realise, howrude...

Op - you need to join a union. Not just to negotiate pay, but to support and provide legal assistance if an incident occurs while you're in charge of a class or someone makes a serious complaint against you.

Is that one of the reasons we don’t do well as country in taught languages? Can’t get the staff?

MFL teacher shortages have been going on for years and years. It is well publicised.

We don’t do well at languages for lots of reasons but mainly ‘everyone speaks English’ (they don’t) is the one that is difficult to overcome. Our attitude of ‘Empire’ means if you want to do business with us, speak English. We collectively see no reason to deviate from that. University departments are closing. The post-Brexit era will be somewhat linguistically challenging!

Not all academies recognise unions.

Another unqualified teacher here. I have both DTTLS (qualification for teaching 14+ in FE) and a PGCE, but due to health issues I have not yet completed my second placement so no QTS.

Currently on benefits and not working but I'm hoping to start back doing the odd day cover and building up, all dependent on health.

I have a degree in my main subject and an HNC + 10 years industry experience in my second subject. I've just started a new degree with the OU.

Not all academies recognise unions

You can still be a member of a union and have representation to get your rights. Recognition is about collective bargaining.

Buttcups and Daisies, it’s less than that in HE now (or at least it is up here, even for qualified teachers)
And there’s no time or payment for any hours spent preparing or marking in HE. You are only paid contact hours ie just for the time you are in front of students. At least in school you usually get an odd non contact to do a little bit of your prep.

Our teachers are currently on £24 per hour which inc prep time your right but on a 6 hour day it's pretty good!

I must say, I am a bit disappointed for the negativity for unqualified teachers. I have been a teaching assistant for 14 years. I just graduated with a 2-1 in primary education, after deciding that I was fed up working as an assistant to some truly awful teachers, including supply teachers. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the majority of teaching assistants in my school do a better job teaching the kids than most of the teachers. They can also deal with the behaviour better too. I know when a supply teacher has been in the class and I have been elsewhere for a few hours, I arrive back in class to find no lessons have been completed, children have next to nothing in their books and they are paying no attention whatsoever to the person in front of them trying to teach (Getting paid almost £280 per day). So I'm sorry but I think it's the ta's teaching the class for peanuts thats getting the raw deal.
I know teachers have studied for a teaching degree, believe me it is difficult, I know first hand, all I'm saying is sometimes they should try another career path if they can't cope with behaviour management.

Actually LA schools can also enjoy unqualified teachers if they can prove they couldn't recruit a suitable qualified one.

Teach First is also full of people without firsts, teaching subjects they don't have a degree in.
It's one reason I chose not to train with them. I have a degree and could confidently offer both subjects at secondary, but one of my A Levels is in sciences so I could have been accepted on TF and placed teaching science if that's what their schools were short of.

The main criteria for TF seems to be ability to buy into the organisation vision and a belief that you can be on senior leadership in 5 years.

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I agree.
The privates in my area on the whole have very well qualified staff, with many support staff having degrees or extensive vocational qualifications in different areas of professional practice.

Ive gradually changed my mind on academics Vs teaching qualifications in the private sector. I think someone who is academic and knows their stuff can be trained and mentored on the job to be a good teacher, whereas it's much harder trying to drag someone not academic with a degree but shocking subject knowledge through an ITT course.
Having seen what can get passed for ITT and the quality of subject knowledge in places, if consider independent secondary education for my child unless I was confident the school was strong.