Unqualified teacher salary

[Heartbrokengirl14]

I posted this is in work but didn’t get any replies. I have been working as a cover supervisor in a secondary school for the last couple of months, first role in a school environment me still learning classroom management ect. After Christmas I was asked to take on teaching as some of the teachers are over their hours. I am only teaching 11 out of 30 periods, the other periods I am either supporting or covering lessons. I am somewhat supported with this but left to my own devices so I am planning my own lessons. At the minute I am with an agency and being paid 70 pound a day but it seems likely that I might be employed by the school directly. Though I am not a full time unqualified teacher I am doing this role along side of my cover role and think if I am offered the job my salary should reflect this. What would be a fair salary that I should expect?

Longwayoff- I am not offended don’t worry! I agree it is appealing budgets have been cut and schools are under constant pressure to cut costs. I think I am a somewhat decent teacher but For what it’s worth I will be doing a teaching apprenticeship hopefully soon to become qualified but I have to wait for an opening.

Private schools are actually worse in some ways. Lots of their teachers have very good university qualifications, but little teaching qualifications. And high academic achieves do not almost ever make the best teachers imo

Have you worked broadly in education? There is really only one teaching qualification - the PGCE although it is possible to achieve QTS without it. The Government has been rewarding academic success in the form of huge bursaries in shortage areas ( currently up to £30k) for many years now and the Teach First programme is full of people with Firsts.

Private schools in some areas are struggling - one of things they absolutely must do is prove to parents that their children will get a ‘good education’ whilst with them. That means different things to different parents but skimping on qualifications is not something I have seen happen in the private sector. Indeed, one of my local school publishes staff qualifications on its website and there’s not a TA without a Masters and the majority have the PGCE as well. . Quite something when you think about it.

Not sure we can blame Gove for this. Academies were originally a Labour invention and it was their idea that academies should be exempt from the rules that applied to other schools.

Having said that, maintained schools have been allowed for years to employ unqualified teachers in certain circumstances.

Nope it was definitely Gove to blame, he introduced the rule that academies could hire who they like, that was nothing to do with Labour.

www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jul/27/gove-academies-unqualified-teaching-staff

Even before academisation and the new rules, though, schools in England have always been allowed to employ unqualified teachers if they can't find a qualified one. They just had to readvertise the role every day and were obliged to employ an applicant if qualified over the existing unqualified person.

A friend of dh is the Head of Dept in a niche subject without QTS or a degree and has been for 18 years or so. His job no longer has to be readvertised every year since academisation.

Readvertise every year, obviously, not every day!

DH has a similar job but in primary.
He is paid as an instructor. It’s not uncommon for things like PE in primary school at least.

He is paid on the unqualified teacher pay scale, I think.

May I enquire what a teaching apprenticeship is @Heartbrokengirl14 ?

Pieceofpurplesky
It is a qualification for teaching that you do whilst you work. So learning as you go, like a pgce but away from universities and I can earn as I go.

OP I'm in your position. I get paid usual rate for cover hours, uqt rate for teaching hours, it's about £6 extra per hour. Don't forget to push hard to be paid the extra rate for your planning and marking time too!!

Unqualified just means that they do not have Qualified Teacher Status, which is the UK license to teach. I taught for years as unqualified even though I had a degree, a teaching diploma and many years teaching , as my diploma was not recognized by the UK authorities. So do not get upset if your child’s teacher is “unqualified “- they might actually be very qualified but just not with the paperwork required!

I’m being nosey op but what attracted you to your role?
What’s your favourite bit?
(I’m sorry!).

StrongerThanIThought76 thank you so much! Out of the 11 classes only 3 of them have proper marking the other is more practical. So I am not sure how much I need to ask for and it’s very complicated. Looking at the research I have been doing, ( thanks for those who private message me) I actually believe I am being taken advantage off. I am working more hours then my set time to plan and handle detentions and go to meetings. I am doing a lot of planning as the outlines I have been given are vague and unhelpful and my classes are very difficult and need more support

Have you worked broadly in education? There is really only one teaching qualification - the PGCE although it is possible to achieve QTS without it. The Government has been rewarding academic success in the form of huge bursaries in shortage areas ( currently up to £30k) for many years now and the Teach First programme is full of people with Firsts.

Teach First is also full of people without firsts, teaching subjects they don't have a degree in. There's lots of ways of teaching without a PGCE (the university route) and that is growing, as the government's agenda is to remove universities from the training and place it within schools. A huge mistake in my opinion.

Littlechocola
I actually really enjoying supporting children in learning. The moment where a kid actually get it or wants to learn more are the most amazing feeling. I have had kids come to me at lunch and want me to teach them more. Even after all the stress it’s worth it. I had a rough time in school with dyslexia but I lucky had some great teachers who got me to uni and to a bachelors and masters and would love to do a PhD at some point but at the minute I need to work and can’t even consider going back to uni to do a pgce let alone a PhD

As for the role I was actually suppose to be a TA but somehow they got me to be s cover supervisor than from there they got me teaching as they are desperate! I do enjoy it and the department are supportive and lovely and the school is difficult but not as bad as some

spikey I’m currently on a SCITT, so gain my QTS through school experience but there is the option to do PGCE too, not all do it but I am. I do this through a uni but as distance learning.
I’ve been told that pgce is so you can work abroad, it’s the qts that counts in UK

It sounds amazing Heartbroken! And with your experience of school I would imagine that you are perfect for the role.

I did mean a pgce but there are lots of routes to teaching now. Scitt is a popular one, where you learn on the job and get paid. There are multitudes if ways though. getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/explore-my-options/teacher-training-routes/specialist-training-options

Rarely get paid haggis on a scitt. There are bursaries for some subjects though and you still pay tuition fees

I knew people who went to private schools, who came out with next to nothing because they weren't taught properly and weren't held accountable for not putting a shred of effort in.

And my DDs paternal gran once told me she was paid less to work at the private primary she works at, than if she worked in a state school.

So I really don't think private schools are in any manner better than normal schools. It's just about the name, and people's kids growing up round a different class of student

No pay on scitt?! Wow. That’s rubbish!

You don't get paid doing a PGCE either, its no different. SCITT is a training course, run by schools, as an alternative to university.

I’m a science teacher, so forget that not all subjects get bursaries etc for pgce. It’s astonishing we have any new teachers at all, really.

I'm technically an unqualified teacher. I work in SEN with behaviour and Autism. I have many qualifications one above degree level in this field. I teach in a SEMH school, And they employed me for the skills in that area rather than having a PGCE?

If you are doing the paperwork and lesson planning etc I would expect to be paid full time as an unqualified teacher in your position.