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AIBU to think that mainstream veganism will ultimately end up like this?

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EerieSilence · 12/01/2019 10:48

I know it's Daily Fail but hey, they did the investigation and the research on contents so why not?
So, here goes the vegan sausage for everybody. Fermented fungus, shitloads of salt and palm oil.
It's my personal belief that in countries with cold seasons and limited availability of fresh vegetables and fruits we should be trying to eat more local than vegan because if you want to do it cheap, this is how you end up. Organic vegan diet is a first world luxury for now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6583469/The-unpalatable-truth-right-vegan-sausage-roll.html

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gerispringer · 12/01/2019 20:02

People who worry about cows becoming extinct if we didn’t eat them are such hypocrites . They obviously don’t care about the thousands of wild species which have become extinct or threatened with extinction because of deforestation for livestock farming. Cows have been so interbred by humans they aren’t a natural species- no reason why they shouldn’t die out and wild oxen, goats, boar etc could live in the wild if there’s any left. Anyway no one is saying everyone should become vegan - maybe encouraging people to cut down will help animals and the environment., and their health.

rabbitfoodadvocate · 12/01/2019 20:04

With that, I'll say adieu as life is too short to be on a forum where Daily Mail articles are given any credence. Joined MN for some chat and some parenting tips, but think I was mistaken about the general calibre of everything and it can go the way of FB...in the bin.

Have a great 2019 everyone!

Rumboogie · 12/01/2019 20:17

It's far better to eat locally produced food from sustainable, integrated farming systems that use manure from the animals to fertilise the soil to grow vegetables, than it is to eat stuff grown half way around the world, requires tons of artificial (read: fossil fuel based) fertiliser and which degrade the soils and forests/eco-systems that were once there. Veganism is a one dimensional philosophy. It doesn't take into account the inputs and trophic flows of a functioning food system. Life is a circular system, not linear. It is impossible to have a farming system without, either animals, or humongous amounts of fossil fuel inputs.

Exactly this.

The Haber process, necessary to produce artificial fertiliser consumes vast amounts of enery and fossil fuel (something like 5% of the whole world's) natural gas resources each year, and has a huge carbon footprint.
Vegans say that it takes a large amount of grain, etc. to raise one beef cow - this is correct if it is grain fed, but increasingly farms are grass feeding their cattle, and many are carbon neutral in this respect. Also, the same argument does not apply to sheep, which frequently graze on land which cannot be used for anything else. Animals also, as mentioned, generate dung for fertiliser.

Where vegans are correct, IMO, is in the humanitarian aspect, and the whole ethos of factory farming, and the abuses in slaughterhouses are an utter disgrace.

I also think that as a whole, we need to eat less. I am in my 60s, and certainly remember that up until the 70s at least, people generally ate much less than we do now.

derxa · 12/01/2019 20:51

People want to eat. They want to eat cheap. This is the driving force behind the change in practices in the dairy industry. Supermarket prices have driven farmers to the wall. Bull calves never used to be shot because they were raised as beef animals. The most common breed of dairy cow is the Holstein type which came from Canada. It is tall skinny and rangy. Our cows in the 1980s were the Friesian type which were imported from Holland in the early 20th C by people like my GF. Before that it was mainly Ayrshire, Jersey and Dairy Shorthorns.

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