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Issue with school mum and cleaner

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hopefullyhelpfully · 07/01/2019 12:22

I've been struggling to find a good cleaner for a while now, so a school mum friend (occasional drinks and coffees, children in same friendship group, same team in PTA quiz etc) gave me contact details for her cleaner and said I could see if she had any availability. She did, and she's been cleaning for 4 months now and is amazing! She works the time she's paid for, notices and does little extras, irons and is generally marvellous.
At Christmas she had the week off but I paid her (have always paid holiday pay to cleaners) and have her some chocolate- and a small outfit for daughter's new baby- nothing extravagant.
She recently announced that she'd be reducing her cleaning hours as she's going to be looking after her daughter's baby when her daughter goes back to work. She's given notice to school mum friend and not to me, and friend is furious. Friend called me and said that as she'd recommended the cleaner, and she'd been working for her a lot longer then I needed to tell her that we didn't need her any more! Apparently I must have found out about her planned reduction in hours which is why I paid holiday pay and gave presents etc, and I have essentially been sneaky. Tbh I genuinely didn't know as I'm not often there when she comes and I thought everyone paid extra at Christmas and holidays! It's also worth pointing out that my children are older, we're all out of the house when she cleans, we're generally tidy and I'm not especially demanding, none of which is the case for my friend.
Now I was perfectly prepared to ignore her- lovely cleaner has agency over her own life and this is all a bit mad. However she's been telling all our mutual friends that I've "stolen" the cleaner by paying her more (we pay the same) and that losing her is exacerbating her stress and PND (youngest is 5 and she's never mentioned PND in the 11 years I've known her.) There's a lot of other stuff but it boils down to, "heartless full time working parent bribes critical help and support away from vulnerable friend to facilitate her career." I'm the only working mum out of the group so she's got a lot of time to develop the narrative and I'm not there to counter it.
Now to the AIBU- this is impacting DS as he's close friends with her son and the children of her friends. He's not being invited to Friday play dates as we all usually have a glass of wine when picking up and apparently, "it'll be uncomfortable."
I can't have DS impacted, so I'm planning on doing as she asks, firing cleaner and trying to salvage this. However DH says it's unreasonable and unfair to the cleaner. Who's unreasonable?

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Bekabeech · 07/01/2019 14:22

Keep the cleaner - she sounds great! Your "friend" sounds a bit of a CF, fancy not paying Holiday Pay! When we used an agency they said we needed to give 1 weeks paid holiday every 13 weeks worked.

I would talk to your sons teacher, and ask her to keep an eye and help your DS be included.
I would also try to arrange some play dates with other boys in the group.

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ReanimatedSGB · 07/01/2019 14:23

Do NOT fire the cleaner. Laugh at the 'friend' and tell anyone who asks that she's being a silly cunt and needs to grow up. And explain to your DS that you're sorry about his friendships but that some grown ups can be very childish and spiteful.

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diddl · 07/01/2019 14:29

As said-things won't go back to as they were even if you fire the cleaner.

The likelihood of her offering Op's hrs to the weirdo demanding childcare are slim to nothing I would have thought.

Looks like new friend are needed for you & your son.

Even if the other mums don't want there, it's shit that your son also can't go.

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MorningsEleven · 07/01/2019 14:30

This woman is not your friend.
Don't sack the cleaner.
I like the sound of your husband.

I had a school mum/friend situation where she trashed me to every parent in my son's class. It took a while but people began to figure out that she was a piece of work and that she'd lied. Unfortunately my son really likes hers but I just deal with her ex-husband.

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BillywilliamV · 07/01/2019 14:32

I would say” Don’t be so bloody stupid, it’s not up to me who the cleaner drops and keeps” and leave it at that.

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holidaylady · 07/01/2019 14:34

I bet she's using the excuse of caring for her grandchild to ditch your friend.
Keep the cleaner. Ditch the friend!

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MumW · 07/01/2019 14:35

I suspect that, even if you fire your cleaner, the damage to your 'friendship' circles (both yours and DS's) has already been done and you could end up cleanerless and friendless. No point in firing cleaning lady.

I would chalk it up to experience and try and encourage closer friendships for your DS by inviting some of the group or new friends over for play dates. If I had the opportunity, I'd probably try and laugh off the situation and put your side of the story out there. Just be gobsmacked that others don't do holiday pay and say you thought it was normal practise.

I'd put money on your school mum being a nightmare to clean for and LCL (lovely cleaning lady) no longer needs to put up with her CF behaviour. Who leaves the cleaner babysitting to go for a run.
"Would you mind keeping an ear open for DC while I grab a quick shower/pop the washing out" OK - you're still their to deal with baby.
Leaving the house and cleaner alone with baby NOT OK..

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Beahun · 07/01/2019 14:40

You’re husband is so lovely! There is a reason why the cleaner left her..I used to do house cleaning years ago and I have to tell you non of my client paid me holiday pay,so I would definitely kept you. Also, it’s not great looking after a child while sleeping as she can’t do her job how she want to. Like she won’t be able to vacuum clean only just doing quiet jobs like dusting etc.
I also had to leave some of my client as I was starting a new business. If I remember correctly there was some little argument between my clients as they knew each other, but I let them to it. I kept the tidy ones.

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donajimena · 07/01/2019 14:41

I'm a cleaner and have recently dropped a client. If ALL my clients binned me tomorrow I wouldn't go back to her. You don't get to decide and neither does your 'friend'.

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PoorOldVashti · 07/01/2019 14:41

Keep the cleaner, lose the friend. Cleaner sounds fab, friend is an arse

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hopefullyhelpfully · 07/01/2019 14:42

Waves awkwardly at press1tohold2to fuckoff
You probably won't know me- no one really knows me at school due to my work- I only really know this group due to DS being included in play dates and getting included that way. I think that this could be quite an identifying thread but I've thought about it and I don't care!!
Part of me hopes she or the other mums do read it!!

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LemonBreeland · 07/01/2019 14:46

theoryBuilding are you the friend? OP gas done nothing wrong. The cleaner can choose who she cleans for.

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Celebelly · 07/01/2019 14:47

If she is reading this:

Stop being ridiculous and absurd and taking whatever chip you have on your shoulder out on a young child who just wants to play with his friends.

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OohOohMrPeevly · 07/01/2019 14:48

I promise you that it will be a storm in a teacup for a while amongst friendship group and then things will go back to normal and someone else will be the villain. Some stay at home mums have too much time on their hands and their entire world revolves around the school and school gossip so little things can get blown up massively. If your son gets left out of things for a while just make sure you do lots of fun stuff with him to make up for it. Also maybe he could join cubs or beavers and make friends from outside school?

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billybagpuss · 07/01/2019 14:50

If I were the cleaner, I would have dropped anyone who tried to use me as childcare while I went for a run months ago - jeeesus thats ridiculous.

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BettyBitchface · 07/01/2019 14:52

The cleaner chose YOU to keep as a client.

She will have her reasons (by the sound of it, probably because your "friend" is a right pain in the arse).

How do you think the cleaner would feel if you tried to "send her back" to the client she was happy to give notice to. She is a human cleaner with her own motives and feelings, not a vacuum cleaner to be passed back and forth. I think she'd be quite insulted.

The "friend" sounds like a complete cunt. Do you really want to be friends with a complete cunt who will walk all over you at every opportunity, as people like here are apt to do, so your son has one friend? How would it be good for your son to see you capitulating to this overly dramatic manipulative cow.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 07/01/2019 14:53

The same sort of thing happened with dd when she was in yr1. She had a bestie and my dd did something age appropriate (bearing in mind she’s almost a year younger) and the mother twisted it into something it wasn’t. She killed the friendship and the child wouldn’t talk to dd for 6 months - the woman is very controlling. Then her other two friends happily had play dates with bestie but one mother wouldn’t reciprocate with dd, which became awkward and the third child decided she didn’t want to come to our house. As a result no one was coming to ours and no one was inviting dd either. Cue them having lots of play dates and dd being left out in the cold suffering a mental health crisis - not just brought on by this. But everything came to a head.

We saw a child psychologist, who said to get dd very very busy. First to build her confidence she advised taking her to a protective environment and suggested rainbows. That helped no end and after 6 months she’d grown out of it as it was too nurturing. Dd also tagged along to a couple of clubs with her friend from a different school (nct mum) as well as going to other things. She slowly made a massive circle of friends both inside school and outside. Some of those friends are a lot older.

It did take a couple of years but dds confidence came on no end. She has probably one of the largest group of friends at school of any child. This is because she’s had a lot of practice at making friends. It’s a skill to be learnt iyswim.

Instead of letting yourself be held to ransom by these people, I really would suggest that you try to take your ds to some extra curricular activities. The activity, which has benefitted my dd probably the most is horse riding. I have spent many hours hanging round while she helped out the older girls and watching other children ride. For your ds, it may be something else like martial arts. Judo is a good one as it’s gentle - dd does it.

For now it is going to be hard on your ds. He’s going to have to learn about school friends and play date friends. And about some grown ups not being fair. The irony of course is that this madam is so concerned with her mental health and gazing at her own navel to think about the mental health of a sensitive young boy. Having been where you are, it gives me rage for your ds. Hang on in there. Smile

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OldBean2 · 07/01/2019 14:54

Hi OP, my mum was a cleaner for 50+ years and had a waiting list... to the point that when one of clients moved, he wouldn't sign it off until mum had seen it and agreed to come to the new home. She stayed with her clients because she liked them and they treated her well. If she did not enjoy it, she would disengage from the situation.

What I am trying to say is that it is the cleaner's choice, not your's or the former friend. My mum tried to leave one person when she was pregnant but she asked to be my Godmother... so mum who was soft was stuck with her for another 14 years!!!

Just ignore the other woman, perhaps she will learn that a little bit of kindness and civility goes a long way. Now stop overthinking things and tidy the house up for the cleaner!!! Grin

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RockinHippy · 07/01/2019 14:54

Another for don't fire the cleaner, it will solve nothing

The friend is a self entitled nut job, seems the situation has done you a big favour, who needs people like that in their lives. Just repeat the truth ad infinitum, other mums will know what she is like, even if not brave enough to stand up to her. It will blow over

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BatFaced · 07/01/2019 14:55

Just ignore it OP and keep the cleaner.

I'd try and move on if I were you - after all, you don't want one of those unbelievable threads that just rumble on and on and get ever more weird do you?

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thelikelylass · 07/01/2019 15:01

good cleaners are harder to find than flaky school mum 'friends'

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MiniCooperLover · 07/01/2019 15:01

OP, you can't force the cleaner to keep your 'friend', though you've said there's no point you trying to talk to the cleaner? How would you raise the conversation?!

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OohOohMrPeevly · 07/01/2019 15:08

Also if your son does get ostracised then you could try talking to the teacher about what's happened and asking him/her to keep an eye on him and encourage some new friendships or even to remind all the children that deliberately excluding anyone is a form of bullying.

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Bubs101 · 07/01/2019 15:09

This is why I never made friends with the school mums, I was friendly to them and my children never missed out on playdates and parties but I had clear boundries, because if things go sour its not just you who faces the consequences but your DC too. Maybe take this as a lesson in the future

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WellBHoise · 07/01/2019 15:09

As everyone has said, if you sack the cleaner she won’t go and work for the friend, she’ll get someone new. She does not want to do free childcare anymore, probably invalidates her insurance as a minimum. Your friend needs mkre of a mother help type role.

But go your DH!

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