To be surprised that some friends are buying extra food because of Brexit?

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I suspect that specific foods may get be in short supply for a short period of time, but there will still be plenty of food in the shops. It is not going to be Armageddon. So this seemed an over reaction to me. Or am I going to be that person in the disaster movie who is laughing saying everyone is over reacting, who ends up dead when the disaster finally hits?

Yes I know that - I was using the word Southern as a geographical description - I originally used italics but it deleted.

You’re still wrong. Parts of Donegal which are in the Republic are further north than most of Northern Ireland.

Call it Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or ROI if you want to avoid typing too much.

When people here ask me if I’m from Southern Ireland my response is always, ‘No, Eastern.’

Seriously?

Nothing of what you’ve described is either new or neo-fascist. Are you too young to remember the NF in the 70s? The crises of that decade? The devaluation of the pound? IMF bailout? Civil unrest through the 80s?

Generally, we’re more progressive as a nation than ever before.

There have always been loathsome knuckle-dragging racists and other dangerous fools. Sadly, no doubt there always will be.

The only truly neo-fascist development I can think of in recent years is the rise of anti-Semitism, something that had been banished from mainstream politics for decades previously but has now tragically returned. Via the Left.

I’m very, very strongly opposed to Brexit, but cobblers about it being a sign of neo-fascism is laughable.

It's not nitpicking @Clavinova . It's where my Mum was born.
The backstop is at the heart of the dilemma now - without the backstop issue, WA would limp through and we would be facing certainty.
If you can't get basics right, you should take a moment and refresh. I'm not saying you must come to a different conclusion because that's your call. However, you undermine the power of any argument you wish to make by this basic mistake which has been pointed out time and again.
And then you "double down " on your mistake by saying it's just not picking to point it out.

rationing during the war was to make sure we didnt rung out of essentials, the diet was just right, just enough, people cooked from scratch, people werent overweight ,bread was rationed for several years after. Our neighbour hunted, we ate wheat we were given, we didnt eat whole pizzas.

@nannybeach I've lived with rationing in another country. It's hateful.

They really should have put "There will be Rationing" on the side of that bus. Obviously a massive vote-winner, right?

Oh Oh Oh What a Lovely War

rationing during the war was to make sure we didnt rung out of essentials, the diet was just right
I'm guessing you weren't there. My mother said she was constantly hungry the whole time. She got married in 1954 and I still have her wedding dress, I used to try it on and had grown out of it by the age of 12 although I, myself, was very thin. She was that underweight.

DH's father (evacuee) used to be sent out to collect hawthorn leaves from hedgerows to supplement their diet and stave off the hunger.

Fucking hell - people are actually rhapsodising about wartime rationing?

I’m starting to think we really need to rethink the way we teach about rationing in school.

WW2 is the wrong war to consider when comparing brexit anyway. The planning for rationing started in 1936 so they had 4 years to prepare. The ration books were printed and ready in 1938. This government seem wholly unprepared. It might end up being much more like rationing during WW1

Fucking hell - people are actually rhapsodising about wartime rationing?

It's a weird sadomasochistic fetish for some people, I think

Ah yes. The air raids were sexy as hell too, all that crowding together in underground stations. Lots of housing freed up. #goodolddays

It’s quite stunning how oblivious so many people are to what’s about to happen. I knew people had their heads in the sand, but if anyone thinks it’s going to be business as usual after Brexit then they’re living on another planet. I guess there has to be a lot of people thinking that for so many people to have voted Leave in the first place.

I’ve been suffering for months so that I can save up an extra month’s worth of my pain relief (manufactured in Germany and stocked absolutely nowhere routinely).

20 years ago very few ordinary people in the UK gave a stuff about the EU or our relationship with it,

Your tabloids in particular, but other papers to an extent, have waged a propaganda war against the EU for years and years. I think you don't realise just how different your tabloids are to the newspapers in other countries - because you've grown up with them, you don't see them for how poisonous they are :( I saw a front page a few days ago referring to Bercow as a devil! It was supposed to be a play on 'speak of the devil' but all that leapt out was his photo with the word DEVIL beside it. How is that legal or permissable in a free society?

No wonder there are people shrieking hate at pro-Remain MPs, they believe they have the approval of the whole country when they do it.

Some headlines seem to be an incitement to violence.

In ww2 children were sent to bed early to stop them asking for food. Do you want that for your children? Babies too if formula is rationed.

Everyone was slim as they didn't eat enough.

Blitz spirit was pulling together to save Europe and defend ourselves. Not because we deliberately put ourselves in a crap situation.

People who harp on about WWII weren't old enough to experience it and were at best brought up on a diet of morale boosting war films they showed on BBC2 on Sundays in the 60s-80s.
My parents were in it - my Dad served and suffered directly. Medals and everything.
When I was a child, they would also put an upbeat spin on it. As they got older, they opened up about it. Separately my stoic "just get on with it" parents, told me some of the realities with tears in their eyes.
Only an idiot- yes, I said the word- would want to go back to that.

The large Sainsbury's I shop at has taken out its pet section which used to be in a large alcove at the back of the store next to the cafe. It's partitioned off now and I asked about what they were doing. The woman at the checkout said they were told it was going to be for extra stock storage. They've been fine for storage for the five years I've been using the shop. But I'm pleased to see they have a plan.

Everyone was slim as they didn't eat enough

Weirdly, my grandma managed to be grossly overweight throughout the war and rationing. I think she maybe had a physical illness that wasn't diagnosed or something. My mum told me that granny would be verbally abused in the street when she went out as people assumed she was getting more than her fair share of rations by underhand means. There was a lot of nastiness.

Supermarkets are stock piling

@thenightsky a thyroid problem maybe? That must have been horrible for her.

The air raids were sexy as hell too, all that crowding together in underground stations

And those nights where the people panicked when trying to get in the shelters and some were crushed to death. Good times.

People were underfed.

Blitz spirit was pulling together to save Europe and defend ourselves.

And included huge increases of crime due to blackouts and organised crime, much of which the police were powerless to prosecute as there weren't enough of them ( , I'm beginning to see a pattern here). Lots of rapes included. In addition, many women later experienced problems in childbirth, like contracted pelvises, due to rickets. My FIL got rickets as a result of such malnutrition during rationing (people think it's 'just' from Vit D deficiency, but well, that's untrue because it's also part and parcel with calcium deficiency) and this led along with heavy labour from an early age resulted in his needing both knees and hips replaced in his 60s.

But hey, it was a great time.

My dad remembers, he was born in the 30s. He said it was utterly shit and people were stealing left and right.

@thenightsky how awful for your grandma and I guarantee the hate towards larger people will tenfold thanks to the likes of Hopkins if things get bad.
I worry about my mum who is larger due to medication but wondering what hate she and others will get probably pushed to the back of the queue because she ' is fatter and doesn't need any food'

For those who think people will act rationally and queue because we are British they are sadly mistaken.
People knock each other out of the way over electronic gadgets on sale which isn't life or death but never mind when they are starving