To be surprised that some friends are buying extra food because of Brexit?

[abacucat]

I suspect that specific foods may get be in short supply for a short period of time, but there will still be plenty of food in the shops. It is not going to be Armageddon. So this seemed an over reaction to me. Or am I going to be that person in the disaster movie who is laughing saying everyone is over reacting, who ends up dead when the disaster finally hits?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1068765/BBC-news-Brexit-news-David-Davis-John-Humphrys-BBC-No-deal-Dover-Calais

We have a stash of tinned goods, rice, pasta, flour etc.

Won't be wasted if disaster doesn't hit but my husband likes to be prepared.

Lord Lilley's list has been widely discredited.

I can do point 1 without even pausing. Not paying the bill for projects we have already committed to - how does that look to potential new trade partners?

Oh, you want a trade deal with the EU do you, UK? Here we are. First thing we need you to do is to pay us the £39bn. We are paying that money. It is nonsense to insist we won't.

Anyway, that's sidetracking the thread again. Back to prepping for the sensible people who want to make sure their families are OK...

"After resolving the Irish border issue"
LMFAO
As the young people say

We're stocking up a little because I think people will start panic buying at various points over the next few months. (Remember the temporary petrol shortage?)

We're not buying endless tins of beans and rice pudding, but just stocking up on our usual items that have a fairly long use-by date, and back ups of household items. If everything goes swimmingly, we will just have less shopping to pick out and pack in the car for a couple of months. And if rationing gets introduced we'll still have some of our favourite stuff.

pookie spaces that can be used include under the bath (often space begins the bath panel) and under fitted kitchen cupboards.

More rural areas may face greater delays if they are not seen as priorities. The large number of people in town and cities means that if there are shortages there may be more unrest if they are not prioritised first. More rural areas might have food closer to them in principle but that doesn't mean it will be available to locals.

^^ yes to this. More people in cities and they become diafunctional faster. They are also really hard to police, especially when police numbers have been decimated. Priority in the event of food shortages will be to restock the cities, and those outside them will need to cope without help for longer.

I’m not stocking up as I am concerned about where I would put it all. I don’t have any space!

Behind books on bookshelves...

The gap under your drawers...

This is hilarious! Give it a few days into April and it will be old news. I just can't believe people are thinking this way and also think that rice is grown in Europe 😂😂 Has no one considered that, yes, we import more than we export but for that very reason, we as a nation have immense buying power and influence. Who else are they going to suddenly sell all of their UK bound produce to?

under the kickboards in the kitchen (tinned food only cos of little mice)

oops, should have rtft.

The economic disruption that Brexit could cause the world markets and therefore the US was mentioned in passing on CNN yesterday. Which was interesting as the US news is very inward looking, if they are noticing there could be a problem then it is a large potential problem.
The idea that the pound plunges and the UK exports its way out of trouble suggests that we can make things from scratch using only UK sourced resources. If we need to import raw materials this is problematic. We need established trade deals to trade effectively. We need a certified regulatory framework established. We need a strong non multi national manufacturing base.
We don't have many weeks left to get cracking on these things.
Things can be sorted out but the UK is not prepared for a no deal at present.

Incredible isn't it, they literally CANNOT hear facts.

It’s either that or they are just incapable of putting them together/understanding basic cause and effect concepts.

Love the authoritative sounding 'there will be no food shortages' there will be clean water' ..... On the basis of no evidence

Caringcarer, it sounds as if you have a short term contingency as a normal thing for your household anyway. It's probably a fair bit more than the average!

Give it a few days into April and it will be old news. I just can't believe people are thinking this way and also think that rice is grown in Europe 😂😂 Has no one considered that, yes, we import more than we export but for that very reason, we as a nation have immense buying power and influence. Who else are they going to suddenly sell all of their UK bound produce to?

Gosh some people are hard of reading.

Our trade deals with the rest of the world are via EU trade deals. So prices on ANYTHING we import will go up, if we switch to WTO terms only which is the default.

Its not that the EU will stop trading with us - its that there are more barriers to that same trade that is the issue.

LOGISTICS LOGISTICS LOGISTICS.

I always have some sort of extra stock, I have Oesteo arthritis and food allergies and stock up on all the heavier items and uht alternative milks as don't own a fridge by shopping online. Bulk shopping like this helps me manage my condition a bit better and save alot of money as I can get the alternative milk when it is on offer. Also it's good to have anyway for when your ill and having difficulty getting out etc. But I'd say if you haven't already and you are able, it is a good idea to stock up on some non perishables and things you'd miss as we don't know what will happen, how bad delays will be, if food prices shoot up and if everything is fine and you've stocked up on what you use anyway, no problem. Also maybe some seeds like lettuce and tomatoes. I'm not green fingered but I do ok growing my own and if you haven't got a garden can grow lettuce on the window sill anyway ;)

Here is David Henig's response to Peter Lilley's 30 "truths":

7 true, 8 partly true, and 15 debatable or false.

This is hilarious! Give it a few days into April and it will be old news. I just can't believe people are thinking this way and also think that rice is grown in Europe 😂😂 Has no one considered that, yes, we import more than we export but for that very reason, we as a nation have immense buying power and influence. Who else are they going to suddenly sell all of their UK bound produce to?

It is not the case that other countries including the EU will cease trading with us. At the moment goods have free movement in and out of this island because we are part of the EU and have trade deals with the rest of the world as members of the EU.

When we leave that free movement ends and checks will need to take place, this will lead to delays in good coming in and out. We need to set up new trade deals or pay far more for goods, this will take time to sort out. Actual, there will be all sorts of added administration on all sorts of goods coming in and leaving, this will cause delays.

If there is no deal, there will be delays. Think of it like this, at the moment you can leave your home and move about the area you live in without a problem. Imagine that your right to free movement ends and a checkpoint is set up at the end of every street that everyone must go through to go anywhere, do you think this might hold up traffic, cause delays? This is what will happen to the movement of goods across NI and ROI and mainland Britain at the channel tunnel, ports and airports.

onegiftedgal

It is hilarious.

It’s Chicken Licken-tastic - watch out for the sky falling in.

Or maybe it’s a lengthy homage to Private Frazer: “we’re all doomed!”

I just can't believe people are thinking this way and also think that rice is grown in Europe

If they think that, they'd be right. Rice is grown down the road from where I live in France. The EU produces about 2/3 of the rice it consumes. Are you this wrong about everything?

I just can't believe people are thinking this way and also think that rice is grown in Europe 😂😂
Erm, rice is grown in Europe !

Wow, I admit I'm no economist, and voted Remain (I'm in Scotland, where the vote was to remain but that is another issue, I understand), but reading statements like 'After we resolve the issue of the Irish border' are quite scary. Surely everyone realises that Ireland, being a part of the EU, is compelled to comply with any EU legalities regarding their own borders and as such cannot simply make autonomous deals to suit the UK? Really?

Mistigri

And, from Breugel (and reproduced on the LSE blogs):

As of March 2016, only 15% of UK total trade was with countries that were not members of the EU and were not covered by any EU trade agreements. 51% of UK trade was with members of the European Union, 4% is with countries in the European Economic Area (EEA), 9% was covered by existing EU Preferential Trade Agreements (PTAs) and 21% was with countries with whom an EU PTA is currently under negotiation or exists, but not yet implemented.

And:

Based on data from the WTO Tariffs Database, we find that the average (weighted by 2014 exports) MFN tariff on UK exports to the EU-28 would be about 3.2%. If we were to apply an average tariff of 3.2% to the total 2014 intra-EU exports – which amounted to 182 bn euro – the average tariff cost would be about 5.84 bn euro.