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AIBU?

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To feel this judged for my child’s behaviour?

81 replies

MrsHobbs · 30/12/2018 13:48

DS is 3 next month. Myself, DS and DP stayed the night last night at a family friends of DP’s. Another one of DP’s friends, his DW and their 4 year old DS were also there.
DS is a very ‘spirited’ child and always has been. He is very strong willed and doesn’t like to be made to do anything he doesn’t want to do. I feel we usually discipline and deal with this accordingly as best as we can, whilst also realising that he’s only 2 and is still figuring everything out. He is also bright, funny and very loving- I feel like he has a split personality lately.
So yesterday he was very well behaved, no meltdowns or kick offs, played lovely with other child there. He went to bed later than usual (wouldn’t settle in unusual room) and woke earlier than usual this morning- so was tired today. He all of a sudden started tantrumming badly over me trying to get him dressed and screaming very very loudly. I took him upstairs to calm down. This continued for a while and he was even hitting me and kicking me as I was trying to get him dressed. (No one else saw that though thank God). He has not been that badly behaved for around 6 months now. And I was mortified.
The main reason being is that DP’s friends DW is the most judgmental person I have ever met. I have never encountered a mother who makes another mother feel worse when they are already struggling. Only sympathising and empathetic fellow mums. When we speak and I tell of DS’s tantrums, she replies “my DS has NEVER had tantrums like that”. When DS struggled to settle last night and was messing about “we’ve never had that with DS, it’s one story and then we go- and he knows not to get out of bed”. (Her DP then entered the room and told me of how they used to have to take their DS out in the car to get him to sleep and how he used to shout for them when they did controlled crying- so it wasnt even completely true Hmm). She has this time and on previous visits told me of her friends children and their behaviour (which sounds very similar to DS’s at times!) and refers to them as ‘turds’. She tells me how her DS’s private school is so much better than state schools and how much more advanced her child is than other kids his age because of it. She is very strict with her own DS and often scolds him for simply being a child (laughing loudly, being moderately hyperactive etc). He’s very well behaved all of the time I have seen him- and looks visibly shocked when my DS tantrums.
I would have been embarrassed anyway but felt all the more for her being there to the point I was in tears in the toilet. DP tells me I’m over sensitive and it has nothing to do with her. I know I shouldn’t care what she thinks, but I can just imagine her calling DS a ‘turd’ and judging my parenting because of how she is. AIBU? Is she?! I don’t think i’ll be going back there whilst they are staying again.

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paintinmyhairAgain · 30/12/2018 13:52

i feel sorry for her ds and her dp she has problems of her own to deal with if she has to be so competitive, the bitchiness is probably a cover for her low self esteem. i'm sure you are doing fine with ds,even if he is 'busy' at times Smile

Youcancallmeval · 30/12/2018 13:56

I'm sorry you felt so judged, i would hope she wasn't being mean.
However, you describe your son as 'spirited which is usually code for 'very challwnging". It may be that your ds's behaviour is significantly more boisterous than she is used to, if you yourself are describing him thus.

MyBreadIsEggy · 30/12/2018 13:57

Your kid sounds like a normal 3 year old to me.
They don’t have the emotional maturity to think “I’m pissed off about getting dressed but it’s not socially acceptable to scream and shout, so I’d best keep it to myself”. All they know is “I’m pissed off about getting dressed, and the whole world needs to know how I feel!” so a tantrum happens! It’s normal.
The friend’s wife sounds like a sanctimonious nobhead Hmm

howtobehuman · 30/12/2018 13:59

Bloody hell, good job she's never encountered me and my son

howtobehuman · 30/12/2018 13:59

You're son is fine by the way, she's a wanker

NotUmbongoUnchained · 30/12/2018 14:00

She’s a bell piece.

My kids are angels, have never had a tantrum. I don’t go round making other mums feel shitty about it because my kids are just overly placid.

Aeroflotgirl · 30/12/2018 14:02

Wow her angel children might surprise her later on Wink. If you knew how she was like, why did you stay with her, I would not stay with people like her who make me feel bad.

Deeedeeee · 30/12/2018 14:03

Yanbu but I think you are being over sensitive. I only say that because your DS sounds totally normal behaviour-wise, and there will always be judgy-type people out there. You certainly will encounter this attitude again, so protect yourself. Your DS is fine, you're doing a good job, kids have tantrums, other adults need to accept this.

newmum120 · 30/12/2018 14:04

She sounds ridiculous and like someone mentioned probably trying to cover up her own issues.. it's a shame there are people out there who are mothers and know the struggle we all go through and still feel the need to put others down..
it's not your fault I'm sure your a wonderful mother and In future if you don't feel comfortable going somewhere then put your foot down.. life's too short to go places you don't want to and waste your time on people who don't deserve it..

Your sons tantrums are normal however I'd find a way to stop the hitting and kicking
Screaming crying and squirming is fine he was tired and grumpy but I personally feel that from that age the kicking and hitting should be stopped
Good luck to you

howtobehuman · 30/12/2018 14:07

Agree with deedeeee about toughening up, people judge me a lot but I have learned to ignore it because otherwise I would be a wreck!

Kitsandkids · 30/12/2018 14:09

People who like to boast about how their children are better behaved than other children either have naturally biddable children, or look back at their behaviour with rose tinted glasses, or have very low self esteem so have to boast to make themselves feel good.

Your son’s still little more than a baby. Tantrums and tears are normal and I’m sorry she couldn’t sympathise with you and make you feel better about the situation.

MrsHobbs · 30/12/2018 14:11

Thanks everyone. I just wanted some confirmation that she is in fact a nob because DP seems to think she was just innocently making conversation Hmm. But I’ve never know anyone ‘make conversation’ in that way!
I know I’m over sensitive though and need to toughen up. She’s actually a teacher but seems to hate kids in general! I find her quite cold at times towards her DS and from where I am stood her DH does most of the work with their DS. So I suppose I should remember the fact that I have a loving relationship with DS, albeit he’s not perfect! I went there to see family friends who we love- they only tolerate DW for the sake of her DH as he is a close friend.

DS used to be ‘very challening’ with hitting me etc but for the last 6 months has stopped and I feel his behaviour has mostly improved and I don’t worry like I used to about it. He’s spirited in the fact that he makes his feelings very well known and can be boisterous. Today was just very odd- I don’t know where that behaviour came from.

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Wearywithteens · 30/12/2018 14:12

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recklessruby · 30/12/2018 14:13

She's a snob too going on about state vs private schools.
Toddlers throw tantrums as they can't express how they feel as we can. My dd used to throw herself on the floor and go blue holding her breath.
Her ds actually sounds insecure and repressed as if he's worried about upsetting his mother. That's not normal.
Don't worry, your ds will get through this phase as he learns to express himself in other ways.
Don't feel like she's better than you. I hate smug mothers judging.
And don't stay with them again. Your ds probably felt your tension and just wasn't happy.

MrsHobbs · 30/12/2018 14:15

wearywithteens that is not what I personally meant by spirited. Believe me I definitely do believe that type of behaviour should be reigned in and make no excuses for it because of his personality- he needs to learn. I was just trying to convey how he can be at times and therefore his tendency to have meltdowns. Doesn’t mean I don’t see a problem with it.

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CardsforKittens · 30/12/2018 14:16

It sounds like she's rather out of touch with reality. I'd find it hard to take her seriously especially if she refers to other children as 'turds'. I'd probably respond by gushing effusively about how her child's school must be simply marvellous and how wonderful it is that her child always goes to bed willingly etc. And in my head I'd be saying, "Your life must be profoundly tedious."

TheNewYear · 30/12/2018 14:16

Irrespective of what your son’s behaviour is like, I am certain this woman is judged far more by others who come into contact with her and hear her tales. I bet lots of people think the same of her as you do and she is very unpopular.

GreenTulips · 30/12/2018 14:17

In your experience kids have a way of behaving in company! Never good either.

Most kids have tantrums and get over tired and grouchy
Most parents recognise it as such

All the ‘My child would never’ brigade Elden to have endless behaviour problems later on in school as the child learns to express themselves!!

They suddenly gain some freedom to be annoying!!

It’ll be your turn soon enough

70sbaubles · 30/12/2018 14:26

I dont think that level of tantrumming is normal. I think it sounds like autism. The way you describe him as 'spirited' -which many people interpret as little shit (I had one like this) -suggests its inherent. I have one autistic and two NT-the autistic one was like your son, hard work and I couldnt relax taking him anywhere because of his behaviour. I would dread and expect judgement and feel a shit mother, it was awful. You go isolated to avoid judgement because deep down it really is that bad. Biting and kicking are not normal behaviours at that age. Does he go to nursery?
Id be keeping an eye out. It takes having a calm child to realise how hard a spirited one is.

70sbaubles · 30/12/2018 14:28

And yanbu to feel judged, she sounds nasty. But is sounds like the reason for judgement (not that there is an excuse) is valid. Unfortunately mums are the worst judgers of other mums, try to ignore x

Andro · 30/12/2018 14:30

Today was just very odd- I don’t know where that behaviour came from.

Late to bed, early getting up, busy day yesterday and all the excitement that surrounds Christmas and NY. Your ds is probably over-stimulated and over-tired.

Jaxhog · 30/12/2018 14:32

However, you describe your son as 'spirited which is usually code for 'very challwnging". It may be that your ds's behaviour is significantly more boisterous than she is used to, if you yourself are describing him thus.

If her DS is more naturally well-behaved (one of my nephew is), then it may well have come as a shock to her to see a full blown tantrum (my other nephew is like this). I doubt she's judging you. She's just worried that her DS may see this behaviour as acceptable for him too.

Best not to stay with her again until your DS can cope better.

MrsHobbs · 30/12/2018 14:36

70sBaubles thanks for your advice, but I don’t think my son is autistic. He has no symptoms at all (other than tantrums) and is very sociable, his speech is good for his age, he’s extremely caring of others and there are no other issues I feel that align with the spectrum- although I am not an expert. I could be wrong of course but at the moment I am not concerned with that.
He doesn’t tantrum like that all the time, as I said I don’t know where that behaviour came from today. It is not the norm. He didn’t bite me and never has. He kicked me whilst I was putting on his jeans and he hit me twice in the face. (Not okay- I am in no way excusing this behaviour and he knows it is not acceptable, he did apologise to me of his own accord once he had calmed down). I feel like maybe I have misspoke when I used the word ‘spirited’ as it seems to mean something other than I realised! I mean he is not a laid back placid child by nature, he is strong willed, determined and confident. And he at times has a tendency to tantrum loudly if he doesn’t want to do something.

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RosaAbsolute · 30/12/2018 14:36

Yes she is judging you, just as you are judging her! You don't like her (with just cause) so why do you care what she thinks?

Touchmybum · 30/12/2018 14:37

LOL she's a teacher!! IME they always know way more about other peoples' children than they do.

So she has a sedate child (maybe? maybe not!) and you have a livewire. I know which I prefer. I had 3 livewires...

Maybe avoid staying over where this woman will be. It's unsettling for LOs staying in a strange house anyway.

There's a long long way to go before your kids hit 18 - and beyond!! No parent of a 3 or 4 year old can afford to be smug!!