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Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

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Rosepetalgeranium · 29/12/2018 08:30

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

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silvercuckoo · 31/12/2018 12:54

When people came to the UK from the EU, there was no law requiring them to do anything.
There was no law obliging me to make occupational pension contributions for employees when they started three years ago. Now it is a significant % of the labour cost. Me, the company and employees are all the same. Was this a retrospective law change? Or just a law change?

Same with the EU registration scheme. No one is asking to register retrospectively for the historical years. But you have to register if you want to continue living here. Changes like this are happening all the time, in all areas of law, not only immigration.

planespotting · 31/12/2018 12:55

I am trying to choose between these 2 comments 🤔
"I don't think anyone called us a rogue state when we liberated most of the EU countries in the two world wars.
Did they pay up what they owed to us, our country's wealth spent in buying arms from the USA for a start.
They owe us a dept far more than money, a dept of honour, I don't think we owe them a penny."

Or*

The Polish community have terrible teeth - my Polish acquaintance goes back to Poland for implants! Smoking is still quite popular in Poland as well, which doesn't help.*

🤔🤔🤔🤔

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 31/12/2018 12:56

swing well it does affect me actually, but thanks for the assumption.

The law has changed. That happens. Frankly, I’m amazed that you are so shocked. The UK has always been ambivalent towards the EU.

Buteo · 31/12/2018 13:14

Clavinova I was taking my info from a London immigration lawyers website which states:

UK Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) is status held by individuals who have applied for and been granted permission to remain in the UK to live, work or study without time restrictions. It is open to individuals of non-EEA countries who meet the ILR eligibility criteria.

EEA nationals cannot apply for ILR, you instead need to look at permanent residency.

swingofthings · 31/12/2018 13:19

There was no law obliging me to make occupational pension contributions for employees when they started three years ago
Not the same. What would be more alike is if you were told that having given the status of being director of your company, you now needed to pay to be able to keep your status as a director to your company, otherwise, you could me made to step down despite no fault of yours.

I had no issue when I had to pay more in tax orwhen my occupational pensions entitlements were changed because that impacted on everyone rather than being picked seclusively. Indeed, these are changes that are frustrating but not unacceptable.

swingofthings · 31/12/2018 13:23

The law has changed. That happens. Frankly, I’m amazed that you are so shocked. The UK has always been ambivalent towards the EU
Not in my part of life, no ambivalence at all. Still not, the vast majority of people I socialise and work with are the one totally shocked and disgusted with what the government is doing.

I'm quite vocal here but am not at all in real life. The reality is that I don't really care. I hate politics so ignore it. I will continue with my life and if at any time I am told I cant stay here any longer or I start to feel like unwelcome, I'll happy move somewhere else. In my case, the country as more to lose from me leaving than me from staying in the country.

Buteo · 31/12/2018 13:33

I’m reasoning that ILR is generally only relevant for EU citizens that came to the UK pre 1993.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 31/12/2018 13:37

swing people live in bubbles. If you honestly never noticed the rise of UKIP/Britain First etc and it came to you as a massive shock that not all British people are proud Europeans, then I’m kind of surprised.

TheNavigator · 31/12/2018 13:40

Sadly, I was aware some British people were racist but in my bubble I thought most Brits were decent people. It is a shock to find out that is not true and does make me feel ashamed of my country.

planespotting · 31/12/2018 13:41

Oh wait!
I found a winner
And meanwhile any EU peadophile without a job can just walk into this country and add to crime and homelessness and be a burden of all sorts on the tax payer ?

ChainVaper · 31/12/2018 13:43

£65 is not the end of the world. We pay much more for passports. This is yet another thing greatly blown out of proportion.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 31/12/2018 13:45

navigator don’t you have any non-white or non-British friends?

Everyone I know in those categories has experienced racism, some on a daily basis.

planespotting · 31/12/2018 13:51

The law is also changing for British citizens. Can I complain that I now can’t (perhaps) just go to Spain to work because I was born while we were part of the EU? No. I can’t.

You can.
Good luck though Grin

Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app
Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app
Xenia · 31/12/2018 13:56

In April 100 years of methods of book keeping are removed by HMRC at a stroke and all those who have to charge VAT have to learn and buy expensive new software products - that is a change many of us hate and must endure.
Then my pension - when I set it up the law was I could draw it at 50 and the state changed that to age 55. When I started work women retired at 60 with a state pension. Now mine will be 67.

Change is just what happens all the time - it can feel very unfair on people but as my mother always said life is not fair. Governments are arbitrary and can be quite nasty - always were and always will be. However they need to be careful with people's rights to live here as al parties in the Uk recognise that is such an issue with such huge impact on individuals.

planespotting · 31/12/2018 13:56

British people have never described themselves as European

Ask a child to describe anyone
Ask a friend to describe herself

I am thinking tall, blonde, long hair, sporty, funny...

Do people actually describe themselves as British FFS?

Because I can't for the life of me understand what is all about, and this argument was exploited by the leave campaign

Like freaking pigeons puffing their chest talking about "Britain" and "Make it great again"

Bunch of clowns the lot.

This is why I make sure my child travels or reads about other culture and meets other people.

Like the fucking dark ages some of you

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 31/12/2018 13:57

planes OF COURSE people describe themselves as British when asked where they come from. What else would they say?

Dark ages ffs...

Maldives2006 · 31/12/2018 13:58

Do you currently live in Spain

Quietrebel · 31/12/2018 13:59

@MSG370
You're obviously very bitter at the treatment of non EU citizens (esp Asians) but there's no need to take it out on EU citizens! Dragging others in the mud isn't going to get you out of it. Blame the Home Office, not us.

LumpsMum · 31/12/2018 14:02

*Riotingbananas

If I was to have my application rejected, and my DH was to find it difficult to find a job abroad, what would we do?

Can I ask - not being goady, genuinely want to know - why would your application be turned down? Are there any scenarios in which that would actually happen to you?*

But that’s the thing - I don’t think so, speaking for myself. But what if, WHAT IF they come up with some weird reason to reject my application?!? My little boy’s in school, his friends are here, he’s doing well. If ever I was told to leave, I couldn’t uproot him. My other half doesn’t speak my language so I’d be leaving them behind to sort it all out. Highly unlikely, and rationally speaking I know this, but deep down I am worried about something that has never been an issue before. It’s sad.

User758172 · 31/12/2018 14:08

British people have never described themselves as European

That’s true in the main though. Throughout our history we’ve always been part of, and yet outside.

swingofthings · 31/12/2018 14:09

swing people live in bubbles. If you honestly never noticed the rise of UKIP/Britain First etc and it came to you as a massive shock that not all British people are proud Europeans, then I’m kind of surprised
I'm surprise you're surprised. The referendum voted leave because of false propaganda, including the one being discussed in this thread, and the mispropotion of voters. We all know that it would fail if people were to vote now they know more a out what Brexit is all about.

Unlike you, I still believe that most Brits don't agree at all with this reform at all . This is the world I live in and the reason why I am still happy to be here.

User758172 · 31/12/2018 14:09

Do people actually describe themselves as British FFS?

Of course they do Confused What a ridiculous comment. That’s my nationality. I’m British. I’m proud of being British. Nothing wrong with that.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 31/12/2018 14:10

swing I think you’re deeply misinformed about how the majority of British people feel, sadly.

DGRossetti · 31/12/2018 14:12

planes OF COURSE people describe themselves as British when asked where they come from. What else would they say?

English ?

I never used to give it much thought until recently. But it's clear that English, Scottish and Irish are not equivalent and (to me) it feels a little off to use "British" which drags them into an "Englishness" that disgusts and embarrasses me.

My DGF - of the Joanna Lumley school of Indian-born was always Indian before English. Maybe why my DM was quite happy to be a European ?

User758172 · 31/12/2018 14:13

The referendum voted leave because of false propaganda

That’s just not true though. You can’t dismiss half the population thinking they’re fools who were lied to.

My grandparents voted back in the 70s and wanted to join the common market. They voted to Leave because they didn’t think it had been a positive thing, so changed their minds. They’re not uneducated fools. They’ve been around for nearly a century, all of them, and have lived and worked all over Europe and don’t have a racist, bigoted bone in their body.

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