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(More) Money for adult children

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Returning2thesceneofthecrime · 27/12/2018 13:27

DSD has just has (another) car accident. Her fault. Her insurance excess is 2k because she wanted a very low premium and because of her previous claims.

DH got a call from his Ex today asking if he will pay half because she is broke. We recently all spoke about DSD’s continuing financial crises and agreed that enough was enough, no more bank of mum and dad. But they are now both wavering. To be fair, this is something I think is significant enough to want to help with however it comes at the end of a very expensive year in which we have already given her thousands (literally, thousands).

Phone call from Ex was followed by DH calling DSD. DSD did not ask us for the money, she just assumed it would be forthcoming. The word ‘please’ was not used in the conversation but she’ll let us know when she needs the money so we can transfer it directly to her account.

Would it be unreasonable to say ‘hell, no’ based on previous expenditure and lack of manners?

Am I being unreasonable even thinking that because I do recognise how useful a car is and that it makes her life significantly easier?

The assumption is that it would be a gift. Would it be unreasonable to insist on a written loan agreement with family? I don’t think it is likely to be paid back but perhaps if she officially owed us money, she would think twice about demanding more?

I absolutely recognise that I am becoming quite judgemental of her but the assumptions, lack of manners and lack of gratitude for the thousands she has received thus far are beginning to grate on me. Help me see this clearly!

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AnneLovesGilbert · 27/12/2018 13:57

Not a chance in hell. I too have a brother who thrives on learned helplessness and has never learnt to take responsibility for himself because someone’s always bailed him out.

It’s not up to her parents because it’s your money too. You need to make your feelings about this very very clear to your husband. She’s thirty years old ffs, she can stand on her own bloody feet.

MikeUniformMike · 27/12/2018 13:58

It would be a No from me. She's 30 ffs.

Soontobe60 · 27/12/2018 13:58

Op, you don't need his permission to split finances! Just do it from 1st January and tell him it's because you can't agree on him bailing out his adult DD.
Tell him his half of her excess will come out of his money. If you have savings, take half of it now and put it in your own name. Each of you will put a proportion of your earnings into the joint account for household expenditure, none if which should include payments not agreed by both of you to DSD.
Then don't get embroiled in discussions about what he gives her any more.

AngryBudgie · 27/12/2018 13:59

30!!!ShockShock I was expecting you to say 19 or something! At that age she is old enough to sort her own finances!

GinghamStyle · 27/12/2018 14:00

30??!! The most financial help I’ve received from my parents since moving out at 16 is a loan of £10 for gas/electric which has to be repaid promptly!

DSD is treating you like an ATM because that’s how she’s been brought up to think is acceptable.

Returning2thesceneofthecrime · 27/12/2018 14:02

Thank you for reassuring me that I am not the wicked stepmother.

I really like my DSD and she is having a rough time (cheating ex and divorce)at the moment but she isn’t doing anything to help herself and I am losing patience and sympathy for her because of that. Recent offers of practical help have been rejected and I just don’t want to be a walking ATM any more.

The last straw (or possibly just the latest in a long string of straws!) came today when I realised she just assumed that the money was coming without her even asking for it! And she also didn’t even ask us how our Christmas had been or what we had done. Just the usual world revolves around her stuff.

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Drum2018 · 27/12/2018 14:02

Not a chance in hell would I let family finances be used for a 30 year old - up to finishing college fair enough, but after that it's reasonable to expect adult children to fend for themselves by getting a job and growing the fuck up. If your Dh goes ahead and pays I'd most definitely split finances within the household and save your own money for yourself, not to bail out this spoilt child.

SundayGirl86 · 27/12/2018 14:02

I agree with Soontobe60. If you split your finances you can emotionally disengage too. Personally I think bailing her out is not helping her at all. At 30 she needs to start taking responsibility for her own life, choices and consequences.

PublicReactions · 27/12/2018 14:03

Split your finances with this man. Get a hobby. I mean that in a good natured way, his family drama is a thief of your joy along with your money.

fieldsgrowingdark · 27/12/2018 14:04

YANBU.

And as for the bellend who asked if you had any hobbies - presumably hers is just logging onto forums to be nasty and rude.

TheABC · 27/12/2018 14:04

30!!!. I am 36 and I would be ashamed to ask my parents to bail me out like this. Please (for everyone's sake), say no. She has to learn to budget and sort herself out. It's not going to get any better -in fact, it will get worse if she decides to start a family.

Holidayshopping · 27/12/2018 14:05

That is crazy-just don’t get involved.

I hope she got you a lovely Xmas present?!

goldengummybear · 27/12/2018 14:06

She's 30?! I thought that this would be an under 20 year old who's at uni (so no income)
Making her take out a loan/save will do her the world of good. She truly has no shame to assume that she'd be bailed out by her parents at age 30!!!

Fluffycloudland77 · 27/12/2018 14:06

I’d say no. £2k insurance excess is madness.

huggybear · 27/12/2018 14:06

30?!!!!!!! Thirty years old? Fuck me. I thought you were going to say 20 and even then you aren't being unreasonable.

I suspect she's been spoilt by her parents though, it's their fault really.

Mayrhofen · 27/12/2018 14:07

At 30 she wouldn't be getting another penny. I thought you were going to say she lived at home and was about 19!

BarkerBump · 27/12/2018 14:07

I borrowed money from my parents for a house deposit and we have a written loan agreement, which I absolutely (and rightly) am expected to pay back. YANBU at all to insist on one.

PublicReactions · 27/12/2018 14:09

And as for the bellend who asked if you had any hobbies - presumably hers is just logging onto forums to be nasty and rude.

Projection?

OutragedERIC · 27/12/2018 14:09

I cannot even imagine my parents having a conversation about how to manage my finances at thirty years of age. Mind boggling.

No offence, you obviously love her to do this but it should have been stopped a long time ago. For all your sakes.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 27/12/2018 14:11

DH and I share finances (at his instigation)

Of course he does - big 30 year old babies don’t pay for themselves. Hmm

As a PP suggested you don’t need his permission to have separate finances - put your share to pay bills and other essentials into the join and open a separate account for yourself.

thebaronetofcockburn · 27/12/2018 14:11

NFW! I'd tell him the finances will be split from now on, too, if he just goes and bails her out. That is a shitload of money to throw away! Wouldn't bother with a loan agreement. I'd just tell him, 'We all agreed no more bailouts. I will NOT be paying money I work hard for to bail out a 30-year-old again so you need to make a choice here, you want to bail her and it needs to come entirely from your money and from now on, no more shared finances'. And then walk the walk.

thebaronetofcockburn · 27/12/2018 14:13

I would leave it to the parents, do you have any hobbies that could bring you joy today?

Pretty twattish reply considering you didn't first bother to inquire if the OP shares finances with her H, in which case it's not just the parents paying but the OP as well. But hey, accuse people of projecting and being thread police when they call you up on such a twattish response.

PublicReactions · 27/12/2018 14:14

Yet more projection? Have a nice new year.

Keeptrudging · 27/12/2018 14:15

At 30 she is old enough to get a loan/sell stuff to pay the excess. She's just being cheeky. Most adults would not go running to their parents at that age. Does she actually need her car? Is there a bus/train service near her? You're definitely not the wicked stepmother here!

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/12/2018 14:15

At 30 she needs to be told to jog on. I was actually thinking I might have been too soft a touch replacing my 17 year old DSs phone with a £150 refurb after it fell out his pocket at the cinema and got crushed by the seat! This was after he'd already dropped it on the floor once and I'd offered to shove it in my bag. He's still at school and has no job (but does have savings). I'm okay with no job this year as he needs certain results for Uni entry as he had some specific reasons for previously under-performing. However, a 30 year old who doesn't seem to be able to deal with the consequences of her actions is a whole different matter.

Do you know who's fault the collision was? has she just been unlucky or is she careless? I'd take those things into consideration if she was genuinely struggling but trying and appreciative.

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