Abortion limits lowered part 2

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I messed up the last one.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3458517-To-think-late-term-abortion-rules-may-need-tightening-up

The limits should not be lowered in my view.
I am pro choice to the point where it is the womans choice as long as her body is required.

To keep this post somewhat on topic. I have seen a few of these types in the newspaper. I can't find the post I was actually thinking of a few years ago this woman bought the abortion pill online because the hospital refused an abortion and she flushed the baby down the loo. Perhaps another poster will remember the case better. Anyway I imagine there a few on here but the law doesn't agree a woman has full autonomy over here body to term does it?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940940/amp/Woman-hid-body-unwanted-baby-drain-jailed.html

Thats very tragic.

I do wonder if there was less stigma and more support surrounding abortions this woman would not have felt compelled to hide her pregnacy.

I'm pro choice. Up to full term, on demand, for any reason

Me too. I'm also currently disputing the assertion that my position is 'extreme'.

Not getting sucked in. The law is fine, and appropriate

But the idea of abortion at 37 weeks of an otherwise healthy pregnancy for 'any reason' is fucking abhorant and you know it.

I think it is viewed as extreme as it does not sit well with some card

I am unable to see a wonan and ger body as secondary/not important simply because she is pregnant.

Here's a little more on this woman's story. Seems she was refused an abortion as it was too late. Meanwhile, her husband was carrying on with one of his pupils.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/husband-mum-who-hid-newborn-11278452

I'm all for any time and any reason.

But the idea of abortion at 37 weeks of an otherwise healthy pregnancy for 'any reason' is fucking abhorant and you know it.

Thing is its not my choice. I think abortion at 37 weeks is very rare but the killing of born female babies is not. I know which of those I see as more abhorant.

But the idea of abortion at 37 weeks of an otherwise healthy pregnancy for 'any reason' is fucking abhorant and you know it

No, I don't believe that at all. I'll tell you what is abhorrent though - forcing women to give birth. My stance remains.

A woman's body should never be secondary, but I disagree that the law doesn't a foetus until birth. A foetus is very likely to survive if born past about 35 weeks, and it would be inhuman to kill an unborn baby at that stage. There has to be bodily autonomy for the woman but there also had to be some level of basic humanity.

Thank you for the link Spite

So it appears the judge utterly condemned the woman despite her circumstances but an adult male teacher grooming and sexually assulting his 16 yo pupil is meh...

There has to be bodily autonomy for the woman but there also had to be some level of basic humanity.

There is. The law states before 24 weeks.
Then her body as far as the law is concerned is not her own.

Indeed. I find it abhorrent that situations such as domestic abuse, sexual assault, poverty and other so-called social reasons are considered insufficient grounds for termination after 24 weeks. And since those kinds of situations are not easily disclosed, I think termination should be available until term for anyone who needs it.

It's an impossible subject really, isnt it. I don't think I'd have a termination, but I can never know in certain circumstances.

I don't think anybody would decide to terminate a healthy pregnancy at 35+ weeks, and medics in this country agreeing to that (current law).

Being all supportive of termination up until term for all reasons. Yes, most of the time this will be got a medical reason, but the law must protect against aborting otherwise completely healthy babies at near or at term.

Moo point though, as Joey would say

'anybody who needs it'

Do you really think a termination at term would be less traumatizing? :(

but the law must protect against aborting otherwise completely healthy babies at near or at term.

But that then removes the womens rights.

There is no law in the land as far as i know that restricts a male in the same way.

Women are told in law thay your body stops being yours when we decide.

Fuck this, I'm hiding this now. Nobody should be advocating termination of a healthy baby at term. Absolutely repulsive.

I'll tell you what is abhorrent though - forcing women to give birth

But at 37 weeks the woman has to give birth anyway... The baby won't just dissolve.

I am pro choice up to the legal limit, and to term for medical reasons, including mental health issues such as the mother's life being at risk of suicide if the pregnancy continues.

If it would make access to abortion before 24 weeks easier, then I think it would be helpful if it could be accessed on demand, with much shorter waiting times.

I disagree with someone being able to terminate a perfectly healthy, viable foetus at say 36 weeks for non-medical reasons.

I just can't see a moral difference between terminating a healthy foetus in a healthy mother at 38 weeks, and ending its life as soon as it is born. Location doesn't change the fact that it is a viable, human baby.

Having said that, I feel so sorry for a woman who doesn't want the baby having to carry it to term. But sadly the alternative seems worse.

It is vanishingly rare that a woman has a late abortion for anything other than very pressing, medical reasons.

I trust women. Trust them particularly to make choices about their own bodies. And children. So if a woman makes the decision to have a late abortion, I trust her.

I work with very young pregnant women who have MH issues, prostitution, addictions, violent men in their lives. They almost all choose to have the child. If one of them decided that a pregnancy involving a violent pimp, drug use in pregnancy and a complete lack of resources needed a termination, I would support her. If you wouldn't, I suggest giving a LOT of money to wo,end services so that child has enough.