To think late-term abortion rules may need tightening up?

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Should people be able to abort healthy fetuses in a low risk pregnancy past 20 weeks gestation?

I read a very sad story concerning this earlier. I considered myself pro-choice in all circumstances but this thread has caused me to question that.

Should the threshold be lowered?

OkPedro if I knew the answer then I wouldn't have asked.

Nor have I been reading any propaganda in any shape or form

oliver - no, a c section would still subject the baby to immense pain only for that baby to die.

It's awful, but we have to be realistic. We are talking about babies who will have been in unimaginable pain even when in the womb and cushioned by amniotic fluid.

As the elephant in the room with regards to the planet is population growth I suppose the acceptance of murdering children in the modern age has its merits.

How is aborting a 39week child anything but murder? And there’s many in this thread that would see that as ok. With one charming perso... animal claiming if the husband was violent kill the child?! (There’s some logic there...)

If you want Pro Choice that’s fine, but let’s not pretend you are not killing an unborn child.

There's no such thing as an unborn child.
Personhood is after you are born. As it should be. You can't compare the life of a woman with that of a foetus

UK law does not agree with you, but every one is entitled to an opinion I suppose whether it’s right or wrong.

Those saying they grew with abortion to term for any or no reason... really?!? A day before EDD and woman should be able to decide, for no reason at all, that she doesn’t want that baby and it should be killed? How is that ANY different morally or physically to her giving birth and killing the child herself?

I really cannot believe other women, Mothers! Support abortion to term. It’s made me feel quite sick just thinking about it!

aborting a 39week child

what on earth are you on about??

justabetterplayer uk law says the unborn has person hood?

mrsjonsno sorry that you can't see outside of your own life and circumstances.

I discovered I was pregnant with a wholly unwanted and unwelcome pregnancy at five weeks.

I then had to jump through myriad medical and legal loopholes until I was finally - FINALLY - 'given permission' to take the abortion pill at literally the 11th hour.

'As early as possible, as late as is necessary'.

thistlemore why was that?
Always as early as possible as late as necessary

We are not talking about babies with severe abnormalities or the thankfully rare babies with bones so fragile they break during childbirth. We are talking about perfectly healthy babies being aborted up to term in the whim of the mother or their abusive asshole of a partner.

I cannot think of any reason to allow abortion at 39 weeks.

Then you are probably not aware of all the horrendous circumstances that can make that a decision.

A pregnancy that is killing the woman?
A woman who has been kept prisoner by her partner or other person who manages to escape?
A woman fleeing war in Syria or elsewhere in the world who has been gang raped on the journey? A girl, maybe a 12 year old in the same situation?
An abnormality of the foetus that means it will never live but birth will stop the woman having other children?
A woman so desperate not to give birth to her rapist's child she attempts suicide, is hospitalised and then goes on hunger strike?

These are rare, but they do happen.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms_Y

How is that ANY different morally or physically to her giving birth and killing the child herself?

In India a few grains of dry rice down the throat of the newborn is quite common when the woman cannot afford more children. Often women in this situation could leave the child at an orphanage but many say they prefer to bury a dead child than have it brought up by strangers.

I couldn’t support abortion of a being that could live independently. So I guess that’s any abortion over 24 weeks

A vanishingly small number of abortions take place after 24 weeks. And those are overwhelmingly in cases where the baby would be severely disabled or either the woman or the baby or both would not survive.
Discussion of late abortion is used as a smokescreen by people who want to restrict women’s rights to abortion at all.

I couldn’t support abortion of a being that could live independently. So I guess that’s any abortion over 24 weeks

How do you define ‘living independently’? Many babies born so prematurely will have health conditions so significant that they will never live ‘independently’

A baby born at 24 weeks can survive outside of the womb is clearly what I meant. And even if a child has problems doesn't mean it hasn't a right to life

I’m another one for as early as possible, as late as necessary.
Having a late second trimester abortion was without a shadow of a doubt the most traumatic experience of my life, and I’ve been repeatedly raped, been part of an armed seige and as a child was seperated from my mother, in a terror attack by government officials.
It’s not a laugh. And it is so much more than just deciding you don’t want a baby for almost everyone

We are talking about perfectly healthy babies being aborted up to term in the whim of the mother or their abusive asshole of a partner.
Oh yes. Late term abortion is one of those flippant decisions women make. Best make sure they don't have the ability to choose. The stats on later term abortions are clear, but let's ignore that and suggest it's selfish women who want to kill babies.

Pesky women wanting bodily autonomy to make decisions that are best for them based on medical advice. Pesky women need to shut up and know their places as incubators.

The more I read threads like these, the more it concerns me how many women think their opinion should matter more than the voices of women in unimaginable situations.

OkPedro an unborn child past 28 weeks can be classed as just that under current legislation.

The more I read threads like these, the more it concerns me how many women think their opinion should matter more than the voices of women in unimaginable situations.

Agreed. Well said.

I suppose the acceptance of murdering children in the modern age has its merits.

Who’s murdering children? It’s a good thing no children are murdered during an abortion then isn’t it? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I haven't read the whole thread, but I wanted to say that I used to believe in abortion to term for any or no reason, as I didn't think any woman would go through a late term abortion for shits and giggles.

Then, via my job, I met a woman who wanted to do exactly that. Repeatedly. She was diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and what was then classed as a Psychopathic Personality Disorder.

I can see the argument that she should not have been a parent anyway, and totally agree.

But I do find it a bit naive when some people claim that all women should be trusted, that their decisions have been made solemnly and thoughtfully, and that no-one would through with a late term abortion for no good reason. Some women would. Maybe a vanishingly small number, but they would.

I don't understand how we can say all women should be trusted to do what is right, with no restriction in law, whilst simultaneously having laws against women murdering a newborn.

Not all women are good. Not all.women would give the procedure due thought. And whilst I agree they shouldn't be parents, I cannot imagine the toll it would take on the medical team, knowing that they were aborting viable foetusus at 36 weeks, for the same woman, repeatedly. Because she is a psychopath who thinks it is fun.

It is such a complicated area. But it made me realise that not all women are good and cannot always be "trusted" to act well.

and I am choosing not to explain why out of respect for the women

I’m sorry but if you can hold forth about why it’s an excellent thing that a rape survivor has to battle for an abortion after 12 weeks you have absolutely no respect for women.