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Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89

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TheClaws · 23/12/2018 07:09

It’s chaos in Trump’s world, more so than usual, with #TrumpResign trending in Twitter after a number of key debacles: the pull-out of US troops from Syria, the resignation of General Jim Mattis, and the shutdown of the government over Christmas due to bipartisan disagreement over wall funding. (Those are just 3 issues.) The next few weeks will be rocky.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3442038-But-When-the-president-does-it-that-means-it-is-not-illegal-Trump-thread-LXXXVIII

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 07:36

I think he’s trying to get ahead of shoes dropping

Roussette · 17/01/2019 08:12

Claws I'm not sure if I agree or not... Pelosi is flexing her muscles, quite rightly so.

'The Government shutdown has given Pelosi a chance to deprive Trump of this national platform. This may be a one-time hit, designed for an immediate benefit. But there is no reason that future Congressional leaders shouldn't look at Pelosi's move as a good place to begin clawing back Congress' power. If Congress wants a co-equal role in government, they must demand it.'

edition.cnn.com/2019/01/17/opinions/state-of-the-union-opinion-spivak/index.html

Gumpendorf · 17/01/2019 09:25

Pelosi is flexing her muscles and rightly so. There are 3 separate and equal branches of government. In the first 2 years Trump has behaved as if he's the King and Congress works to him. Nancy is regularly reminding him (and the US people) this is not the case.

So be it if he has a temper tantrum. I'm not sure they are working any more.

Giuliani - it does look like something is about to drop. I wonder how much of this he already knows and how much is taking him by surprise. The shocking thing is how much his faux bumbling has normalised. He's now conceded collusion and everyone just says 'yeah, we knew that'.Sad

Gumpendorf · 17/01/2019 09:27

In a West Wing in Transition, Trump Tries to Stand Firm on the Shutdown nyti.ms/2RReBRf?smid=nytcore-ios-share

'We are getting crushed'

And the rise and rise of Javanka.

MerdedeBrexit · 17/01/2019 12:15

I think Pelosi is poking the bear. I'll be interested to see Trump's response; if he does decide to hold a SOTU "rally" for his base, won't he just look ridiculous? (Though when has that ever stopped him, I hear you say.)

I have just laughed out loud at this Giuliani thing:

Aaron Rupar
‏Verified account @atrupar
9h9 hours ago

.@ChrisCuomo's eyes almost roll out of his head as Giuliani makes case that even if Trump did incriminating things he now says he didn't do, it would't be obstruction of justice, because obstruction is when you say, "I'm going to break your legs... I'm going to hurt your family."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 13:20

Poll-Rigging for Trump and Creating @WomenForCohen: One IT Firm’s Work Order
Behind the scenes, Michael Cohen hired RedFinch Solutions, then allegedly stiffed it—and his boss

www.wsj.com/articles/poll-rigging-for-trump-and-creating-womenforcohen-one-it-firms-work-order-11547722801

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 13:26

Michael Cohen fears Trump rhetoric could put his family at risk: Sources
He has some reservations about his public testimony, sources said.

abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/michael-cohen-fears-trump-rhetoric-place-family-risk/story?id=60430893

AcrossthePond55 · 17/01/2019 13:57

I've always had this song in the back of my head whenever he speaks. Looks like I'm not the only one

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 14:10

Jim Sciutto
‏*@jimsciutto*
Breaking: In CNN Exclusive, Cohen confirms WSJ story and directly implicates the President: “What I did was at the direction of and for the sole benefit of Donald J. Trump. I truly regret my blind loyalty to a man who doesn’t deserve it”

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 14:10

Effort to ease Russian sanctions boosted by former Louisiana senator

edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/david-vitter-lobbying-russia-sanctions/index.html

lionheart · 17/01/2019 18:18

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/trump-family-separations-report-latest-news-zero-tolerance-policy-immigrant-children

'The Trump administration may have separated thousands of migrant children from their parents at the border for up to a year before family separation was a publicly known practice, according to a stunning government review of the health department’s role in family separation.'

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2019 18:22

Struggling to keep up. Again. I know there is lots of material I want to go through, a few pages back but... Whoosh!

Have Brew and Cake instead.

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2019 20:16

Not very with it today, but I'd missed this a couple of weeks ago:

Cambridge Analytica sister firm pleads guilty, fined £21k for failing to obey UK information commish
www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/09/cambridge_analytica_scl_elections_guilty_plea_ico_21000_fine/

SCL Elections Ltd, stablemate of scandal-hit Cambridge Analytica, has been fined a total of £21,000 after pleading guilty to not complying with an Information Commissioner's Office enforcement notice.
[...]
"This case is a discrete part of a broader matter," prosecuting barrister Ben Summers, on behalf of the ICO, told the court. "It begins in January 2017 when Professor David Carroll, who is a United States citizen and resident, made a subject access request to Cambridge Analytica UK Ltd."
[...]
Summers told the judge that SCLE had eventually refused Professor Carroll's request because he was not a British citizen or a resident of the UK, quoting from an email the firm sent to the ICO: "He had no right to make a subject access request any more than a member of the Taliban sitting in a cave in the remotest corner of Afghanistan."

Nice to see the Cambridge Analytica group of companies being told, "No, you will obey the law."

But also interesting for the use of language. Like some other actors in today's politics, SCLE was unable to engage in a straightforward, administrative transaction without dead-catting: pumping in utterly irrelevant but emotionally charged references in order to distract and confuse the reader.

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2019 20:17

And yeah, ugh ugh ugh about the Michael Cohen twitter campaign.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/01/2019 20:51

Trump has refused Spkr Pelosi the use of a military jet for her trip to Brussels and Afghanistan saying she should 'delay until after the shutdown. Using virtually the same language she used when she suggested he postpone his SOTU address. And suggests she can 'always fly commercial'. What a prick.

www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html

lionheart · 17/01/2019 20:58

Yes, indeed.

lionheart · 17/01/2019 21:01

Here.

Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89
borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 21:25

Hopefully Pelosi will simply fly commercial, leaving Trump fuming.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/01/2019 21:34

I don't think her flying commercial into Afghan would be a good plan.

lionheart · 17/01/2019 21:45

Especially now everyone knows her plan.

Roussette · 17/01/2019 22:06

Him blabbing this is a huge security risk, he is just so stupid. And thin skinned. I bet he thought he was so clever doing this


@Drew_Hammill
The purpose of the trip was to express appreciation & thanks to our men & women in uniform for their service & dedication, & to obtain critical national security & intelligence briefings from those on the front lines.

@Drew_Hammill
The CODEL to Afghanistan included a required stop in Brussels for pilot rest. In Brussels, the delegation was scheduled to meet with top NATO commanders, U.S. military leaders and key allies–to affirm the United States’ ironclad commitment to the NATO alliance.

Is there anything he won't do to damage the country?

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