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Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89

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TheClaws · 23/12/2018 07:09

It’s chaos in Trump’s world, more so than usual, with #TrumpResign trending in Twitter after a number of key debacles: the pull-out of US troops from Syria, the resignation of General Jim Mattis, and the shutdown of the government over Christmas due to bipartisan disagreement over wall funding. (Those are just 3 issues.) The next few weeks will be rocky.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3442038-But-When-the-president-does-it-that-means-it-is-not-illegal-Trump-thread-LXXXVIII

Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89
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Minimammoth · 10/01/2019 18:30

I wonder what the legal definition of ‘crisis’, he’s going to make one happen, clearly.

Minimammoth · 10/01/2019 18:30

Apologies for grammar

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 18:32

Exclusive: Robert Mueller met with Trump's pollster

"Well, my my my!"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 18:52

Trump White House urging allies to prepare for possible RBG departure
After an ailing Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg missed oral arguments, the Trump team began early groundwork for another potential confirmation battle.

www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/trump-white-house-urging-allies-to-prepare-for-possible-rbg-departure-1096102

lionheart · 10/01/2019 18:58

CBS News

Verified account

@CBSNews

'California Sen. Kamala Harris has decided to seek the 2020 Democratic nomination for president, sources tell @KCBSRadio.' cbsn.ws/2RmLHsQ

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 19:01

Mini

There's the rub. As near as I can tell there really is no specific definition of what a 'National Crisis' is! Legislation was written to be vague in order to allow a POTUS leeway to decide that without getting bogged down by 'ticking boxes'.

Once again, we're faced with the fact that it was unimaginable to those who passed that law that we'd ever have a POTUS who would choose to so abuse those powers for personal gain and/or ego. I'm sure some may have wanted to (ahem, Nixon, ahem), but something (ethics? wanting to be reelected? fear of impeachment?) probably always held them back.

There are 2 'checks', the first is a joint declaration passed by Congress to cancel the NE but POTUS has to approve it. If he won't, the second 'check' requires a 2/3 majority in both Houses to override his veto.

The only real 'balance' I have seen is that Congress has to renew the declaration every 12 months to keep in in effect. For example, the NE declaration done by GW Bush shortly after 9/11 has been routinely renewed by Congress as it keeps certain funding levels active for spending on national security. The problem in the current situation is that POTUS would receive his $5 bil in one lump sum, rather than it being paid over XX number of years where Congress could stop it by not renewing the NE declaration.

This is a good article, but bear in mind that the US News & World Report is a 'right leaning' publication

www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-08/what-is-a-national-emergency-and-when-can-a-president-legally-declare-one

(Thus endeth the Poly Sci lecture for today!!)

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 19:16

For those keeping count: The tentative Dem field so far seems to be Harris, Warren, Biden, Sanders. There are others, but these seem to be the contenders who are being 'taken seriously' as viable candidates. Keep in mind that none of them have declared their candidacy as yet.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 20:15

Manu Raju
@mkraju
MICHAEL COHEN, President Trump's former fixer and personal attorney, will testify in PUBLIC before House Oversight on Feb. 7. Expect questions about his involvement in hush money scheme to silence Trump affairs, the Trump Tower Moscow project in 2016 and other controversies

PerkingFaintly · 10/01/2019 20:17
pinkground202 · 10/01/2019 20:19

I wonder if Beto will put his hat in the ring? I can see him as VP to Biden, I think they'd be a great combination. I love Kamala Harris, the idea of a black woman beating Trump in 2020 warms my heart. Assuming he's not in jail by then.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 20:26

Ooooh, I think the House needs to send out 'Save the Date' cards on that one!!! lol

I just hope Cohen has extremely good bodyguards and a food taster!!!!!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 20:28

Caroline Orr
@RVAwonk
Also:
@RepAdamSchiff
just announced that the House Intelligence Committee is looking to schedule a closed-door session with Michael Cohen.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 20:40

So, TWO sessions for Cohen. One open before Oversight, one closed before Intel.

Bet Scrotus is shitting plaid rabbits!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 20:44

Have the odds of a protracted shut down and/or national emergency just shot up?

borntobequiet · 10/01/2019 20:56

I too thought Cohen might need minding. Which is a terrible thing to have to think about the USA.

lionheart · 10/01/2019 21:20

Across, if he were to do that it would be the most productive he has ever been and an excellent way to pay homage to his Scottish ancestry.

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Minimammoth · 10/01/2019 21:39

Thank you across for your explanation.

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 10/01/2019 21:40

Trump: "A wheel is older than a wall. And I looked, and every single car out there, even the really expensive ones that the Secret Service uses, and believe me they are expensive, I said, 'Do they all have wheels?' 'Yes.' 'Oh. I thought it was medieval.'"
mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1083451119723048963

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 21:46

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Adam Schiff told me Michael Cohen will NOT address Russia in open testimony, based on what his attorney told them. Schiff said Cohen is “going need to answer questions” behind closed doors before HPSCI on Russia. They haven’t agreed to date. Cohen will tell “his story” in public

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 21:47

Susan Hennessey
@Susan_Hennessey
If reports the Russia related portions will be in closed session are accurate (particularly if it was deciding in coordination with Special Counsel's office), that cuts in the opposite direction and suggests that Mueller's work is expected to be ongoing.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 21:52

Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize.

We can't just talk about ending sexism and discrimination. It must be a reality in our daily lives. That was clearly not the case in 2016.

Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/01/2019 21:58

Trump could take billions from disaster areas to fund wall
Under the proposal, Trump could dip into money set aside to fund civil works projects all over the country including storm-damaged areas of Puerto Rico.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-could-take-billions-disaster-areas-fund-wall-n957281

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2019 22:23

HAHAHA Lion! I hadn't even made that connection!

That's a phrase we've used since high school. The full phrase is 'shit plaid rabbits and ooze straight through to China'. No idea where we got it!

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