To ask why you aren’t vegan

[Whereisthecoffee]

I’m not vegan , I know it’s good for the planet kinder to animals etc but it’s something I just can’t seem to get to grips with. I’ve been thinking about starting vegan January but I’m not sure. Thinking about my choices and it’s prevalence in the media has made me curious about others so tell me why aren’t you vegan? I think my main reason is convenience.

Exactly patsy

It wasn't a comeback, it was an ordinary response.

not the defenceless creature who lived in squalor and died in terror.

This convinced me, and I am a good person, so anyone whom it does not convince is a bad person.

Patsy, have you ever found that somone has been converted to your cause by your form of persuasion? If, as I suspect, the answer is "no", then why do you keep doing it? The answer is that you are mostly trying to convince yourself that you are better than other people. Which is fine, but you shouldn't be surprised that people laugh at you.

Had chicken for Christmas,it tasted like chicken not fear. Bloody delicious too!

I've just had chicken and beef toasties. Lush.

The organic beef we had for lunch from our local farm shop was absolutely delicious.

All the pigs in blankets
Obvs

I also don't want to be seen to be siding with the dick head vegans (in the same way I avoid other groups known for a vocal dickhead contingent which puts a bad light on the the rest).

I think most of the meat on my plate was happy in the field before being lead to the end that was intended for that animal.
Nope, not feeling bad about that at all. The animal had a good life (local, organic farm & shop) and was very tasty. It will also keep me healthy with essential nutrients that are not available from a vegan diet.
So nope, still not feeling sorry for the poor slaughtered creatures. They serve their purpose, we look after them, they look after us.

Genuine question: what essential nutrients is it that you get from animals that we can't get from a vegan diet?

cushioncovers even the vegan society advises a b12 supplement as getting sufficient amounts in natural form is very difficult.

cushioncovers: Iron, B vitamins, some fats and certain protein is easier accessible for your body in the form of meat. You can get iron and B vitamins from certain pulses, but not all. Hence the popular use of supplements in vegan & vegetarian diets. Some types of fat and protein is purely animal... so you are missing out on those.
Plus humans are designed to eat a huge variety of foods - they keep us healthy.

"If everyone was vegan what do you think will happen to the animals? Farmers won’t keep animals just to look pretty in the fields."

Sadly most animals don't even get to see a field so this is a pretty shit argument / point tbh. The whole world would never turn vegan overnight (hence there would be time to protect land by law etc) and based on this thread will never turn vegan full stop.

You may as well say "If aliens invaded earth what do you think will happen to the animals?"

I eat a plant based diet (no fake meat/ cheese though because they are yuck) plus the highest quality & most carefully sourced eggs, oily fish and beef once a week each because of the health benefits and because I feel ill if I don't.

I live in Suffolk. Have also lived in Wiltshire, Northamptonshire and Essex. Always completely surrounded by fields full of pigs, sheep or cows. So many, many, many animals do in actual fact live in fields. In wales the fields and mountains are FULL of cows and sheep

Haven't RTFT. But I'm not vegan because I respect my place in the food chain.

As I said earlier, eating (non processed) vegan food is very cheap and healthy. The majority of people who are vegan are vegan because they don't want to cause unnecessary suffering to animals, not because they don't like the taste of meat.
If you could eat the same things without inflicting pain and suffering on animals, why wouldn't you??

An atheist, a vegan, and a flatearther walked into a bar.

I only know because they told everyone within two minutes.

My daughter is Vegan. I would like to be for environmental and health reasons but I never could be;

1. Rice, Almond, Oat, Soya milk are all disgusting and make Tea, Coffee, Cereal etc taste vile.

1. Vegan choclate is disgusting.

1. Tofu and Soya Mince are beyond grim.

1. Almost every “vegan alternative” I’ve Evernote tasted I found either disgusting or bland.

When you say that, you do realise that there is very solid, widely accepted evidence that both acute and chronic stress experienced by farmed animals significantly affects the taste, quality and nutrition of their meat - which is either an argument for better welfare or just not doing it in the first place, depending on your POV - but it’s not really hyperbole to say that when we eat meat (especially from animals killed in an abbatoir, transported long distances to the abbatoir, and/or intensively reared) we eat fear etc, as that fear significantly affects their meat.
The answer to day-old chicks being discarded is to not breed them in the first place btw, not adopt them out as pets, clearly!

But again, we are eating meat, that is the physical product in our hands, not fear or whatever. The fear or whatever supposedly affects the taste and texture but its still meat and still edible.

Lol just dont breed them hay, yeah its like totes that easy......
You cant tell before the chicks hatch as to who male or not. I mean yeah there some who say egg shape can tell you but thats not a scientifically proven method. The other ways are once hatched the wing shape and feather length and do they have a comb that looks like xyz. Like it or not there is no real other way and realistically people will not keep roosters just to be kind.
The chicks we got were incorrectly sexed, which happens a lot actually not bought specifically as rooster pets, we literally cant give them away, we have tried.

We are top of the food chain, we shouldnt feel bad about it. If it wasnt us it would be something else and we could be the food source

MrsJonSno
I don’t mind rice milk or soya etc in my coffee.
I don’t eat cereal or chocolate.
I don’t really eat soya and hate tofu and am nit sure what you mean about vegan alternatives.

I tend to eat veg lentils and beans etc I don’t reslly go in for alternatives to meat.

I don't think oat milk tastes any different in tea or coffee to cow's milk but I do only have a tiny drop in my drinks.

I don't mind oat milk on cereal although prefer the vegan yoghurt on it.

I also think tofu is disgusting and not keen on meat substitutes but there are so many vegetables, types of lentils, beans etc that there is no need for pretend meat

PinkPanther27 The majority of people who are vegan are vegan because they don't want to cause unnecessary suffering to animals, not because they don't like the taste of meat.
If you could eat the same things without inflicting pain and suffering on animals, why wouldn't you?

That is just ONE aspect of food production - and a very poor argument indeed. You can source organic meat and you be surprised how well animals are treated.
The bigger question that we have to ask ourselves is the overall impact on the environment of food production. And unfortunately many vegan / vegetarian foods wrap up no end of air miles, they help to destroy natural habitats and scream monoculture which has an massive impact on small wildlife.

So next time you say: If you could eat the same things without inflicting pain and suffering on animals, why wouldn't you? think again, no diet is about pink fluffy clouds sprinkled with unicorns.

I had nut roast because nut roast is delicious

Oat milk is hideous. It tastes of sadness and the bottom of hamster cages.