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To ask why you aren’t vegan

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Whereisthecoffee · 22/12/2018 16:58

I’m not vegan , I know it’s good for the planet kinder to animals etc but it’s something I just can’t seem to get to grips with. I’ve been thinking about starting vegan January but I’m not sure. Thinking about my choices and it’s prevalence in the media has made me curious about others so tell me why aren’t you vegan? I think my main reason is convenience.

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ReflectentMonatomism · 23/12/2018 18:13

a defiant entitlement to the prioritising of one's own tastebuds and to one's own convenience over and above climate change

Yeah. For example:

www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/23/greenpeace-defends-top-executive-flying-to-work

That pretty much sums up the environmental lobby for me. Want to commute by plane from a low tax country to a high tax country so you can be paid more in the latter but pay less income tax in the former? Bad if you're the little people. Fine if you work for Greenpeace.

That day I cancelled all my DDs for environmental charities, as did a lot of people, because I realised the sort of people that they are.

Dillydallyer · 23/12/2018 18:13

Because it looks like an absolute ball ache Grin

Also. Cheese. Cadbury’s. KFC. Pepperoni Pizza. Steak. Chicken.

OnlineAlienator · 23/12/2018 18:14

I see no good reason to be.

Twowilldo50 · 23/12/2018 18:14

Because it would be too blooming hard along with all the other food issues going on here. Plus, vegans have to take a supplement to get all the vitamins humans need so it’s not all that as a diet.

Bluewatersurf · 23/12/2018 18:18

I love dairy, eggs, honey and get it all within a mile of me, on either mine or my neighbours croft. Personally I much prefer to eat locally then import stuff in from an environment aspect and happy with how all the animals are treated.

Obviously that's not how most people live/shop but that's my reasons why.

Toddlerteaplease · 23/12/2018 18:19

Love meat!

RrreCansada · 23/12/2018 18:25
Nanalisa60 · 23/12/2018 18:26

Because I can eat non meat for about four days a weeks the other three I like to eat meat!! In fact I want to eat meat!!

Sandbox · 23/12/2018 18:31

Vegans don’t have to take supplements

RrreCansada · 23/12/2018 18:31

Full speech by Phillip Woolen,former Vice President of Citibank.

King Lear, late at night on the cliffs asks the blind Earl of Gloucester “How do you see the world?”

And the blind man Gloucester replies:
“I see it feelingly”.

Shouldn’t we all?

Animals must be off the menu because tonight they are screaming in terror in the slaughterhouse, in crates, and cages. Vile ignoble gulags of despair.

I heard the screams of my dying father as his body was ravaged by the cancer that killed him. And I realised I had heard these screams before.
In the slaughterhouse, eyes stabbed out and tendons slashed, on the cattle ships to the Middle East and the dying mother whale as a Japanese harpoon explodes in her brain as she calls out to her calf.
Their cries were the cries of my father.
I discovered when we suffer, we suffer as equals.
And in their capacity to suffer,
a dog is a pig is a bear. . . . . . is a boy.
Meat is the new asbestos –
more murderous than tobacco.

CO2, Methane, and Nitrous Oxide from the livestock industry are killing our oceans with acidic, hypoxic Dead Zones. 90% of small fish are ground into pellets to feed livestock.
Vegetarian cows are now the world’s largest ocean predator. The oceans are dying in our time.
By 2048 all our fisheries will be dead.
The lungs and the arteries of the earth.
Billions of bouncy little chicks are ground up alive simply because they are male
Only 100 billion people have ever lived.
7 billion alive today. And we torture and kill 2 billion animals every week.
10,000 entire species are wiped out every year because of the actions of one species.
We are now facing the 6th mass extinction in cosmological history.
If any other organism did this
a biologist would call it a virus.
It is a crime against humanity of unimaginable proportions.
The world has changed.
10 years ago Twitter was a bird sound, www was a stuck keyboard, Cloud was in the sky, 4 g was a parking place, Google was a baby burp, Skype was a typo and Al Kider was my plumber.
Victor Hugo said “there is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come”.

Animal Rights is now the greatest Social Justice issue since the abolition of slavery.
There are over 600 million vegetarians in the world.
That is bigger than the US, England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Canada, Australia combined! If we were one nation we would be bigger than the 27 countries in the European Union!!
Despite this massive footprint, we are still drowned out by the raucous huntin’, shootin’, killin’ cartels who believe that violence is the answer – when it shouldn’t even be a question.
Meat is a killing industry –
animals, us and our economies.

Medicare has already bankrupted the US. They will need $8 trillion invested in Treasury bills just to pay the interest. It has precisely zero!!
They could shut every school, army, navy, air force, and Marines, the FBI and CIA – and they still won’t be able to pay for it.
Cornell and Harvard say’s that the optimum amount of meat for a healthy diet is precisely ZERO.
Water is the new oil.
Nations will soon be going to war for it.
Underground aquifers that took millions of years to fill are running dry.
It takes 50,000 litres of water to produce one kilo of beef.
1 billion people today are hungry. 20 million people will die from malnutrition. Cutting meat by only 10% will feed 100 million people.
Eliminating meat will end starvation forever.

If everyone ate a Western diet, we would need 2 Planet Earths to feed them.
We only have one. And she is dying.
Greenhouse gas from livestock is 50% more than transport . . . . . planes, trains, trucks, cars, and ships.
Poor countries sell their grain to the West while their own children starve in their arms. And we feed it to livestock. So we can eat a steak?
Am I the only one who sees this as a crime?
Every morsel of meat we eat is slapping the tear-stained face of a starving child. When I look into her eyes, should I be silent?
The earth can produce enough for everyone’s need. But not enough for everyone’s greed.
We are facing the perfect storm.
If any nation had developed weapons that could wreak such havoc on the planet, we would launch a pre-emptive military strike and bomb it into the Bronze Age. But it is not a rogue state. It is an industry.
The good news is we don’t have to bomb it. We can just stop buying it.
George Bush was wrong. The Axis of Evil doesn’t run through Iraq, or Iran or North Korea. It runs through our dining tables. Weapons of Mass Destruction are our knives and forks.

This is the Swiss Army Knife of the future – it solves our environmental, water, health problems and ends cruelty forever.
The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones. This cruel industry will end because we run out of excuses.
Meat is like 1 and 2 cent coins. It costs more to make than it is worth.
And farmers are the ones with the most to gain. Farming won’t end. It would boom. Only the product line would change. Farmers would make so much money they wouldn’t even bother counting it.
Governments will love us. New industries would emerge and flourish. Health insurance premiums would plummet. Hospital waiting lists would disappear.
Hell “We’d be so healthy; we’d have to shoot someone just to start a cemetery!”
So tonight I have 2 Challenges for the opposition:

  1. Meat causes a wide range of cancers and heart disease. Will they name one disease caused by a vegetarian diet?
  2. I am funding the Earthlings trilogy. If the opposition is so sure of their ground, I challenge them to send the Earthlings DVD to all their colleagues and customers. Go on I DARE YOU.
Animals are not just other species. They are other nations. And we murder them at our peril.

The peace map is drawn on a menu.
Peace is not just the absence of war. It is the presence of Justice.Justice must be blind to race, colour, religion or species. If she is not blind, she will be a weapon of terror. And there is unimaginable terror in those ghastly Guantanamos.
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we wouldn’t need this debate.
I believe another world is possible.
On a quiet night, I can hear her breathing.
Let’s get the animals off the menu and out of these torture chambers.
Please vote tonight for those who have no voice.

RrreCansada · 23/12/2018 18:33

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keffie12 · 23/12/2018 18:34

I could do vegetarian if I had too. Vegan though just seems to a step too far for me. Ì get the not making profit out of anything to do with animals but shops make profit out of the things they do have to buy so the difference to me doesn't make sense.

CoteDAzur · 23/12/2018 18:36

Because I don't have an eating disorder.

Because self-imposed malnutrition is stupid.

Because humans have evolved to eat animals and get fantastic nutritional value out of animal products.

Because my ancestors were nomads and ate almost entirely on meat, milk, and other animal products.

Because if I don't eat animal products, I'll have to get my calories from carbohydrates and I'd rather not be fat.

Because vegan substitutes for butter, milk, yoghurt etc taste revolting.

Because there are less difficult and more pleasant ways of feeling virtuous and looking down on people.

Because I'm not convinced it's good for the planet and even if I were convinced, the incremental benefit to me going vegan is indistinguishable from 0, whereas its cost to me is very high.

Because I'm comfortable with my place in the food chain and feel just as fine about eating meat as a lion or a cat does.

beefybb · 23/12/2018 18:38

I have gone vegetarian since watching a program of factory farms animals are not hear for us to eat I cut out cow's milk cheese and eggs in struggling with but I will do I really want to be vegan

Sandbox · 23/12/2018 18:39

I have nothing against people eating what they want but eating disorders and malnutrition is a ridiculous thing to say and frankly makes light of actual eating disorders and malnutrition

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Everydayisdragging · 23/12/2018 18:41

There's a hundred sound reasons to be vegan (I'm not, farm background, work etc).

I have little to no respect for vegetarians but to vegans I think fair play its not half arsed. Pat on the back for not eating meat but a suckler cow for meat or a lamb have a brilliant field life up until slaughter opposed to dairy cows and layers that suffer for years until they can't perform and too are then slaughtered. I know which I'd choose and is more humane..

Also worth mentioning, do people know how much agriculture contributes to global warming? I think maybe educate yourselves a little more, I love rural farm life so its conflicting but writing off veganism because you 'can't be bothered' suggests you ought to be better informed?

rritchie44 · 23/12/2018 18:44

When I tried vegan I found the soy based proteins gave me terrible wind and that's not good for the planet!

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/12/2018 18:48

Will they name one disease caused by a vegetarian diet?

Well depends what you’re eating. Meat in moderation isn’t driving disease. Meat in moderation is perfectly healthy. processed Meats (or the nitrites and sulphites in them^ In excess are not good for you.

It’s about moderation and balance. Intensively reared chicken, battery eggs, highly processed meats - these are not good things. Free range backyard hens eggs, a backyard scraps eating pig, calf at foot dairying - these are not bad things.

Some animal usage is even more positive than not. I know a few people who keep bees - their honey is delicious and their bees provide pollination. Small flock sheep producers of wool - much better for the environment than synthetic thermal clothing. Synthetics shed microplastics and do t biodegrade.

It’s about treating the animals we use well and making sure all our agriculture is sustainable and has as little footprint as possible. To do that we probably need to eat less meat, and make the meat we eat local and well kept. We need to stop using fish meal protein, we need to stop nutrient run off creating dead zones in the oceans. But that’s not incompatible with animal usage. We are part of a food web and we are omnivores

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/12/2018 18:50

And plants aren’t off the hook for disease - ergotism, arsenic in rice.,, plants produce a wide range of toxic compounds. And yes, that’s disingenuous because the question was what’s driven by a plant based diet, but plants can kill you too. So can meat, but a balanced diet with meat in won’t.

bubblegumunicorn · 23/12/2018 18:54

I go vegan as often as I can! It’s surprising how many things are vegan a lot of soup for instance and a lot of salads and sandwiches when you’re out but I don’t go fully vegan or vegetarian as I don’t like to restrict my diet but it’s easier and tastier than you think

RrreCansada · 23/12/2018 18:56

bowl but we cannot treat animals well if we are killing them.

cricketmum84 · 23/12/2018 18:56
  1. Bacon
  2. Steak
  3. Cheese

That's my reasons 😂

MrsMaker88 · 23/12/2018 18:59

Surely that’s just not factually correct that we wouldn’t survive without meat? Countries that have plant based diets don’t have the cancers we have? Australia has the highest rate of cancer (they love a bbq don’t they?!.. sorry for the stereotype). India, Sri Lanka, Bhutan have low cancer rates and eat a lot of plant based.

The Assiciation of British Dietitions: in the UK, it is estimated that well-planned completely plant-based, or vegan, diets need just one third of the fertile land, fresh water and energy of the typical British ‘meat-and-dairy’ based diet. With meat and dairy being the leading contributor to greenhouse (GHG) emissions, reducing animal based foods and choosing a wide range of plant foods can be beneficial to the planet and our health.

It’s not a fad, it’s massively on the increase so I’m pretty sure it’s here to stay. I think vegan is the new veggie, veggie is pretty mainstream here now 🤣

icanbewhatiwant · 23/12/2018 19:04

I expect someone has said this....if the whole world went vegan then we’d have no cows, pigs or sheep in the fields, farmers wouldn’t keep them as pets! The chickens would become redundant too 🤣😂🤣

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