To think the BBC will change or go under?

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I don't know many people who watch the BBC, most people I know don't have a license and just have netflix, Amazon, now tv etc

I know it has some popular programmes, but I can't see how it will survive longer term when netflix etc are cheaper and imo have much better programmes. Am I in a bubble or aibu to think it will have to have to have adverts/change longer term?

"There selection is not very good".
FFS. That. Is. Subjective.

And news, current affairs, magazine programmes, travel, natural history, movies (their selection is not v good), soaps, politics, reality (IACGMOOH, TOWIE, The Apprentice, Celeb Love Island etc), voting shows (SCD, X Factor), fly-on-the-walls (One Born Every Minute etc), docs (they offer little that’s topical)...etc
Most of that isn't stuff I'd watch, although I do watch some reality tv on Netflix occasionally.

I don't know what more I can tell you. I grew up with live tv, when I moved out of my parents I had my own tv license for years, then I started subscribing to streaming services whilst I still had a license, eventually stopping watching any live tv because I preferred what was on Netflix/Prime/Youtube. I don't watch what's on the bbc or other live channels because it's inconvenient and I'm not generally interested.

And if I particularly want to watch a movie that isn't on any of those for free, I rent them through YouTube or the PlayStation Netflix.

I know lots of people who are similar (and there are others in this thread), and imagine it's even more common among teens and people in their 20s.

And I prefer to watch TV uninterrupted by adverts.

The BBC is hated in equal measure by UKIP types and Corbynistas. That’s proof alone of its worth.
The only thing you've posted that I agree with, which is why I'd happily have BBC news funded by tax, or pay a small subscription.

Segmentation

I’d say that was objectively provable by numbers and length of availability alone. (Prime’s better; Now and iTunes best. But then you have to pay more...)

People still seem to be confused about the licence - you need one to watch BBC programming, full stop. Not just live tv.

If the BBC disappeared - which I personally hope it doesn’t, I love it and it’s a bargain for what I watch and listen to - then a lot of channels downstream would struggle without the repeats to show. And Netflix would surely immediately put their prices up as they have less competition, people would have to pay it (just like the licence).

Don’t even get me started on radio, commercial radio is absolutely horrendous compared to BBC.

Yeah, I do hate the BBC. I do feel angry that most of it is completely unwatchable but I'm forced to pay for it. Its blatently politically biased. When its not meant to be. They don't even pretend to be neutral now. So, yeah, that makes me angry. They're clearly supporting a Second Referendum and its wrong. They're flabby and complacent and biased. Fine if they want to be, but why I should pay them?

Plus, in case any of the liberals noticed, most of their programmes are awful, no one commented on that!

And, for all the very closed minded establishment liberals like kissing and Curtt, I like to hear different views across the spectrum, not just what Labour-luvvies think.

I really dislike the licence fee. I know people say they wouldn't like adverts on the BBC but a) Imo it's not worthy £150pa to not watch a few ad and b) the BBC DOES have adverts!!! OK its adverts for their other programmes etc, but still adverts!!
I'm in my 20s, I don't have a license as I couldn't justify the cost. Instead I pay £8pm for Netflix and watch things on catch up from itv, Channel 4 etc. on my smart TV... I go onto the website and stream it right to my TV. (not BBC, I follow their rules so I can have a clear conscience as and when the BBC enforcement bullies come knocking)
So, so many people my age don't have a TV licence as they don't see it as a justifiable expense either. I think (hope) the days of the TV licence are numbered

Quality != quantity. I don't know how many programs the BBC has compared to all of the streaming services out there, but it says nothing to it's quality.

Because not everything you like better is objectively good.

Cubrrt

You agree with me that Netflix would have to put up prices without broadcasters making shows, don’t you?

And I think we agree on how mono-themed Netflix is too.

(Prime’s better; Now and iTunes best. But then you have to pay more...)
For me, Prime is basically free. I signed up to Prime to save on delivery costs. Amazon TV was an added bonus.

Full-on Tory bias, LadywithLapdog?

It's always seemed rather the reverse to me!

The only reason I have a tv licence is because my child watches live childrens tv.
I haven't watched anything live in at least 5 years.

I would have to plug a box into my tv especially to watch BBC now.
I removed it to redecorate over 5 years ago & haven't wanted to watch anything that means I have to plug it back in since.

Clunky

So why do away with the licence fee then?

You save yourself £50 by limiting your viewing. Good for you.

Do you use the BBC website or radio though?

I am going to cancel Netflix as it's got a bit stale. As a family we look to watch a film and can't find anything we've not seen!

I don't watch a huge amount of live TV but I do watch stuff on iPlayer which I need the licence for. My children also watch cbbc on iPlayer too. Some of the dramas have been fantastic and I don't want to wait for them to appear on Netflix so I'm happy to pay.

Sky is astronomical for many, I know friends paying £70 a month and that puts the BBC fee into perspective IMO.

Each to their own, I'm happy paying!

"I do feel angry that most of it is completely unwatchable"

In your opinion.

I agree that a lot of it isn't to my taste. I dislike sport and reality TV, but there are loads of programmes that I enjoy. However, I don't get angry that they show sport and reality TV. The old cliche that you can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can please most people most of the time springs to mind. I am also not in the least bit political so anything politically biased just washes over me.
You need to calm down.

"Don’t even get me started on radio, commercial radio is absolutely horrendous compared to BBC."

Absolutely agree with this ^^
I hate radio adverts. I usually listen to the radio in the car, so it isn't pre-recorded so I can zip through them.

KissingInTheRain
I agree that subscription prices will go up (just as the tv license has). It will not cause people to go back to live tv. I suspect my future grandchildren will find the idea of live-tv very quaint. It's already archaic to me.

I don't agree with you on Netflix being mono-themed. It lacks sport and news and is light on current affairs (I expect it'll develop more current affairs stuff in future).

I am going to cancel Netflix as it's got a bit stale. As a family we look to watch a film and can't find anything we've not seen!

Quite.

And Netflix would be towards Sky’s prices if they offered a more varied selection and didn’t recycle older stuff.

Christ, I just looked at the tv listings for BBC 1, 2 and 4 tomorrow. Not one thing I'd watch and almost completely creatively devoid.

Each to their own, but it isn't for me.

Cubrrrt

I think you’re overlooking catch-up and recording. There’s more antiquated about linear TV than on-demand. More TV is watched now than ever.

*nothing more antiquated

How many films are shown on live TV outside sky?

@KissingInTheRain
No, not limiting my viewing, I never watched the BBC, there was never anything on I wanted to watch. I used to pay my licence so I could legally watch other live TV channels. And no, my online news comes from Huffington post, guardian, buzz feed news, etc. And no, not BBC radio either.
I think the whole idea of coercing people to pay for one broadcasting company (BBC) in order to view others on the same platform (itv, Channel 4 etc.) is bizzare and was it not culturally engrained and perhaps introduced today, there would be uproar.
And saving £60+ per year as a millienial whose generation is picking up the pieces of financial ruin (thanks boomers) is a huge saving. That's a full weeks spend for me and my family.

I think you’re overlooking catch-up and recording. There’s more antiquated about linear TV than on-demand. More TV is watched now than ever.
I used to have iPlayer before it required a license and used it far less than Netflix or YouTube. Haven't missed it.

Don't know why I'd want to record live tv as opposed to just watching on-demand. My parents do that but then they've never used streaming services.

Again, most of my favourite shows from recent years are Netflix originals. I've tried a few bbc dramas on Netflix but they're not to my taste. The BBC also hasn't produced a comedy show to my liking in years (but have peddled some real crap).