To think schools will close, rubbish will rot and bodies won't be buried

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‏Local authorities making emergency plans for March 29th onwards 2019 for Crash Out Brexit (Leaving without a deal)

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NEW: Extraordinary Kent County Council No Deal Brexit document detailing “Operation Fennel” next month to hold 10,000 HGVs “on a routine basis”

-administration GCSEs/SATS

• waste services “delayed and disrupted”
• “difficulties with transport of the deceased”

Looks like there's a serious possibility of 1000s of our kids having wasted years of education as GCSE and A level exams could be cancelled.

I don't believe there will be a No Deal at all but it's hardly ridiculous that KCC have to look at that as an option. Contingency planning is always done. It would be MORE ridiculous if they just ignored potential outcomes like you Walkingdead.

Why is a council of a county putting in contingency measures in the event of no deal, which of course isn't going to happen, much like Brexit itself, seen as 'sky falling in ' territory fangirl ?

Planning for all scenarios is what they do ? Even though the Government ( Nowt to do with the EU) has massively cut their budgets over the last few years.

Please can someone kindly explain to a very (intentionally) naïve woman what on EARTH GCSE & A-Level exams have to do with Brexit or the EU/Not being a part of EU??? Pretty please. Here's a to help with the eye rolling

It would be MORE ridiculous if they just ignored potential outcomes like you Walkingdead

Of course we should plan for all potential outcomes but its ridiculous to pretend they are likely outcomes.

eg we might have a contingency plan for an alien invasion, but that doesn't mean we should get hysterical about an impending alien invasion.

Lorries in and out of Dover all the time. At the moment minimal delays for Customs checks because of free market. Dover is in Kent. If it takes a long time for lorries to get through Customs or to collect containers from a container port traffic will back up on all surrounding roads. Ordinary traffic then unable to get about without massive detours. Staff and students unable to get to schools. Has already happened in earlier years on a smaller scale (Operation Stack). Hope that helps, Mummylife.

They juat can't believe we have potentially fucked our own economy and definitely divided the nation for no discernible good reason.

This.

It's unbelievable self sabotage.

No one take such a serious gamble unless there's something huge to gain. There isn't. We had something huge to lose. We were the fifth strongest economy in the world. Past tense.

There seem to be a lot of Leavers on here who think risking that position was worth it. They also seem to think that Kent local authority is over reacting by making any form of plan. So
What ? We should prefer the government's approach which was to jump without planning. A clear case of fail to plan - plan to fail.

It's only worth gambling something valuable if there's a chance we could gain. A gain is becoming the fourth strongest economy or the third or the second. There are NO signs of that happening. Slipping down the global rankings is not a gain.

All countries (apart from
North Korea perhaps) try to prioritise trade with their neighbours errrr because they're neighbours.

Our deal with our neighbours only cost 0.7% of GDP. (It was a splash in the ocean of NHS annual needs).In return for this statistically negligible membership fee, we got unrestricted access to a market on our doorstep worth $18.8 trillion of 500 million consumers.

Why risk being a leading force in our neighbouring powerful trading bloc? just because one political party had a decades old chasm in it ? Its Insane. Kent CC are right to plan for it.

Please can someone kindly explain to a very (intentionally) naïve woman what on EARTH GCSE & A-Level exams have to do with Brexit or the EU

Ditching EU membership and penalising our current unrestricted trade will have a huge effect on the whole country including all Kent infrastructure. Kent's completely justified in seeking huge financial help to try and deal with it. Why should Kent residents pay for it?

if you think it's a storm in a teacup try and see the bigger picture, read proper sources. Read the economist, read the FT, read the New Yorker, Sky, OECD reports, LSE or Oxford research.Look at ONS statistics, try the Irish press..

Don't just use one source - spend 20 minutes a day reading stuff you've not read before. Try something you've not clicked on before, not from a same old source. Then see if you think Kent CC are scaremongering.

@Mummylife2018 - if roads get snarled up, people can't get to where they need to be. Including exams. Including invigilators. Or, they can't get to school for a significant period of time in the run up to exams.
More like a prolonged period of heavy snow shutting down the county. Only self inflicted.
Does that help explain it?

Schools require a large amount of invigilators for exams - 1 per 30 students in a large hall (+1extra if one has to leave for example to escort a student to the toilet) then you have 1 on 1 invigilators in individual rooms (scribing/readers/asd students) and ones to act as runners in the event something or someone is needed. All these invigilators have to get to the schools prior to the exams to set up and run the exams. Getting invigilators who stick at the job and don't break any of the rules is tough and it only takes 1 or 2 to be late/not turn up to cause havoc.

Now imagine the roads are chocablock with traffic as everyone attempts to avoid certain routes, add in rtas/breakdowns closing or restricting other roads and you can see why there may be fall out from a no deal Brexit.

Whether it happens or not, we can't wait to see what may happen. We plan now in the event it won't be needed in the future.

Don’t worry about the ports around Dover, for we will all be able to look to the sky and see Spitfire’s dropping emergency grocery packs to our neighbourhoods. Make Great Britain great again.

Don't tell Leavers that we don't actually have bluebirds in this country- y'know, flying "over the white cliffs of Dover". We have to import them.

No one take such a serious gamble unless there's something huge to gain. There isn't. We had something huge to lose. We were the fifth strongest economy in the world. Past tense.

Off topic, but I seriously hope that when some of the dust has settled our august leaders will be considering this question and start answering it in ways that do not simply involve force against those of our own people who are being abandoned at birth.

Fucking England, as you put it , don't think we are the centre of the world . Its you types think it is though !!

By chance, we went to Dover this morning. The castle looked fabulous, the sea was full of white horses. Weirdly though, not a Bluebird or a Spitfire to be seen. Quite a lot of lorries, fortunately all moving today.

Couldnt see any unicorns or sunlit uplands either, although it was a lovely day. The coast of France was not visible, which may be a portent.

Thanks for posting on this thread everyone.

Posted on another education thread, so sorry for repition.

Services like refuse and transport of the deceased also affected by this, although LAs are also partly responsible for getting out food, according to gov orders now.

Post 'No deal/ crash out' brexit

All Local Authorities are supposed to do emergency planning for Crash Out/ No Deal.

I wrote to mine to ask for how they could confirm that goods and services would be maintained. (especially schools and exams)

They could not.

They did confirm they would now lose EU funding averaging over £15m PA over last 4 years though.

corbyn becoming pm is more terrifying than brexit, trump and climate change combined in my book !

Has anyone heard anything from other LAs to confirm that plans are in place to keep goods and services going after march29th 2019, thanks.

Needing some good news, please.

What a load of scaremongering crap. Local government do realise we did pretty well before the EU existed don’t they? Oh, obv not 🤦🏼‍♀️

tofty totally agree, project fear is alive, well and remoaning. it is obvious that the government never thought the leave vote would win, so they didn't think it out properly to start with. no wonder they are crapping themselves on the subject.

Local government do realise we did pretty well before the EU existed don’t they?

The U.K. in the early 1970s was a very different place. As was the world. Even if it were possible to return there, which of course it isn’t, I doubt you would be impressed ;)

I am actually really concerned. What if I go to our local market and there is no Jamon Serrano and Manchego cheese? What am I going to do?

Local government do realise we did pretty well before the EU existed don’t they?

Haven't heard that one for a while. Ridiculous! In the 1970s there were just a tad fewer lorries transporting our food and medication around.

Teachers often avoid living close to the schools they teach in (you don’t want to see your pupils down the pub!). Pupils might well be able to get in, but the teachers won’t.

For exams you’d surely just send the teachers to their nearest school and try and make sure enough staff to student ratio

Surely all of this is worse case scenario and let’s not get caught out by the unexpected?

Better to prepare, think about how to manage if things go wrong than have a complete pandamoaniam

Whoops op, this sounds familiar. As an older mumsnetter I have lived this before, except the ports - or did I? I used to skip home from school to my dad because he wasnt working as it was the three day week, electricity cuts, blackouts, followed by rubbish mounting up in the street and bodies remaining unburied. I think this was called the seventies.

Not to make light of things op, because my dh has the same feeling of impending doom, but we will survive this. In fact DH has said he wants another referendum so he can vote to remain (again).