To think schools will close, rubbish will rot and bodies won't be buried

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‏Local authorities making emergency plans for March 29th onwards 2019 for Crash Out Brexit (Leaving without a deal)

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NEW: Extraordinary Kent County Council No Deal Brexit document detailing “Operation Fennel” next month to hold 10,000 HGVs “on a routine basis”

-administration GCSEs/SATS

• waste services “delayed and disrupted”
• “difficulties with transport of the deceased”

Looks like there's a serious possibility of 1000s of our kids having wasted years of education as GCSE and A level exams could be cancelled.

Nothing to sort out Badbad.

Crash Out/No Deal happens automatically now in 56 parliamentary days.

If the British cannot export enough because they are unreliable, that will in itself compromise the balance of trade. But there is so much wrong with your simplistic view of international trade that it’s not worth engaging with you.

If we can't afford to buy BMWs because our economy is fucked they won't want to sell them to us. There are better markets elsewhere.
Ps, I can't afford a BMW now and I am pretty sure my fellow citizens in Sunderland who voted differently to me can't afford one now either.

People can walk, ride a bike etc etc to get to school if it's that important

Ten miles away for DD1, some travel much further to her school. Not impossible I guess, but I used to try to ride ten hilly miles to work and it's not easy. Ok for the fit and able-bodied.

Fascinating to read the Russians' solution to the millennium bug. They also proposed using a pencil in space when the US spent huge amounts of money on developing a pen that would work in zero gravity.

Complete bullshit.

All sounds like scare tactics if I’m honest.
I do not want brexit but trying to frighten people is not going to make this any better

Kent is a very rural county with lots of villages and lanes that are totally unsuited to cyclists or pedestrians.

All sounds like scare tactics if I’m honest
Local Authorities' No Deal Brexit documents?

It's on Sky news too.
news.sky.com/story/traffic-chaos-and-school-dinners-at-risk-in-no-deal-brexit-kent-council-warns-11573490

yes micke and user re Kent being a rural county.

The M20 is undergoing major work until 2020 (new junction at Ashford plus smart motorway installation). Speed restrictions in place, and one lane closed a lot of the way - even less place to park the lorries.

The M2 is not really an option due to weight of traffic; the A20 is single lane much of the way and implicated in the new junction works.

Chuck in an accident or two (eg the day I got stuck in the countryside for 2 hours because an artic jackknifed into the canal after trying to escape stack chaos) and there you are.

@PumpkinKitty82 - reality stinks doesn't it. I'm sorry but you will have to face how shit No Deal is going to be.

user1495390685 - re Corbyn's son going to a grammar school - his wife at the time (the second one, IIRC) insisted on this. An acquaintance of ours was active in his constituency at the time and mentioned that it was common knowledge that said wife had said if Corbyn didn't agree to send the lad to the grammar school she would divorce him. She did in the end anyway.

I don't know what the local comprehensives were like. That's where the boy would have gone otherwise, as Corbyn wanted. If they were as mixed a bag as the ones in our Inner London borough at the time (20 years ago), I don't blame the ex-Mrs Corbyn in the slightest.

Corbyn himself was sent to a private prep school and a state grammar school. He emerged with hardly anything in the way of academic qualifications. He's older than me so I know that most bright kids who got an education like that and put the work in would have come out with a handful of O levels and 2 or 3 reasonable A levels. He scraped 2 Es. He went to a poly to do a degree course on Trade Union studies, but dropped out at an early stage because he argued with his tutors about the curriculum. (Foretaste of how he behaved as a backbench MP for several decades, of course.)

As may be apparent, I have no time for Corbyn at all.

Total myth about the US/Russian pencils in space thing.

oh I see we're still using the 'THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM!!' and 'BUT GERMAN CARS!!' but with more words.

This is just about Kent though and there are reasons Kent needs to make contingency plans for at least the short term,

I am a Remainer but as far as I can see it’s places where there are ports which need to make plans. Obviously there will be knock on effects.

As for Brexiteers screaming “Project Fear”, anyone still quoting “the Millenium Bug”;shows their low level ability to think.

Russia space pencil thing: linky

Facts are almost a dirty word these days, eh?

There's a fab bit in The Martian (one of many) about one of the astronauts having a special concession to have a wooden/flammable crucifix. But I digress.
Brexit is shit.

Whilst there are very real challenges and concerns around this, OP you are seeking to scare monger and goad people. Your language is not of someone informing but someone who enjoys watching people get upset.

Why do you enjoy that?

Downtheroadfirstonleft - stop trying to discredit and shut down the OP on the basis that she is using (quite measured) emotion in her argument.

I stand corrected on the space pen thing -- it was mentioned to me by a mad British scientists before the days of the internet so I don't think the myth comes from the internet, but it is certainly propagated by it. I mentioned because it seemed to be a similarly simple solution to moving the date and letting everyone else take the hit. Now I have contributed to the spread of disinformation!

@bittermints thank you for the background. Fascinating. I'd no idea his academic prowess was quite so stunning:-) I have hated the man ever since he campaigned against a new local school just because it happened to be a free school (as it happens, it can't be more Islington Council if it tried). Never mind the dozens of parents told to home-educate or attend a school in special measures in Kings Cross. But I don't want to change the subject of the thread -- apologies.

To suggest that anyone is scaremongering when talking about the absolute catastrophe that a no deal Brexit would create is just mind boggling. The complacency is quite extraordinary.

I am not being complacent, I will just choose to wait and see what will happen.
I’m not going to go out and stock pile food and water or make a brexit proof shelter , I just want the facts not “this might happen”
Or “this possibly could happen”
I don’t t see the point in ranting about it as what exactly can we the public do?
We’ve already voted accordingly and short of another vote I just don’t see how we can get out of this , we can’t put forward ideas to the government so now what?

Back I come to see if any leavers have been enlightened yet but sadly no, still going on about how we're all shrieking about the reality of what's ahead and firmly plonking their heads in the sand instead doing a bit of critical thinking, questioning why we are saying what we're saying.

And as for the person saying kids can walk or cycle to school, you must be a city dweller with no experience of rural life. I don't live in Kent but I do live in a very rural county and I can assure you, I wouldn't let my child cycle or walk to school, in the dark, on rural and very frequently dangerous country lanes. It's been on the news of a 16yr old hit and killed on a country road, on their bike, in the dark. So yes I can say why Kent are planning...

Pumpkin it's called forecasting, giving a range of possible scenarios. No-one has a crystal ball

Those of you who want Corbyn to get in, please come and see his constituency with your own eyes.

Islington North? I lived there for 5 years. What's wrong with it ?

Not even a Corbyn fan, particularly!!!

There is no doubt that a similar issue getting HGVs in and out of the UK will have a significant impact on the lives of people who live near the M20 and need to travel for work, school, health-care etc.

If freight in and out of Dover goes to shit, I think it could have an impact on almost any area with a ferry port, tbh. If I was trying to get stuff to/from Germany or any point east, I'd consider using Harwich to Zeebrugge or wherever, for Spain, Plymouth-Santander might be a better option. The M5/A38 could be logjammed too!