To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

[ShockedandOutraged]

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After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

In terms of enforcing things, it is tricky. But nowadays, for example, internet sex offenders are allowed a computer but have to have a programme installed on it that means the police can access it at any time and see what the person is looking at. So, the police will then do random checks. It isn't full proof. Or, like this guy we're talking about is going to a probation hostel, he could be breathalysed there to see if he's over the limit re alcohol. People on licence cannot be watched 24/7 however. So yes of course sometimes people do break licence conditions and don't get caught. But I don't know what else can be done because you can't watch them all the time.

No alcohol, drugs could be tested randomly

They could tag him. That’s one way of monitoring where he is.

A tag only tells you if someone is at home or not. GPS tagging is ridiculously expensive and used very rarely.

I find it depressing that resources go into even considering release of people like this.

I'm surprised that there's a recent photo of him on the BBC News website.

What I want to know why, is why he gets parole but Myra Hindley didn't?
They both committed heinous acts.

She was so notorious no-one would have been willing to put their name to releasing her. This man isn't a household name nationally so...

A tag only tells you if someone is at home or not. GPS tagging is ridiculously expensive and used very rarely.

Is it really so expensive? We all have it in our phones, would it be so expensive to put it in tags?

Either way, it’s all being confirmed to me that there is no way in hell the powers that be have any chance of keeping tabs on this guy. Which means he shouldn’t be out.

"For me, this has been watered down far too much and it's high time to bring it back" totally agree.

I'm a survivor of CSA and don't believe in the death penalty for a number of reasons:

1 it's too good for the type of criminals it would apply to. It's an easy out for them. Let them instead suffer consequences all their life.

2 even DNA evidence, "expert testimony" is NOT infallible and I would not want to be party to one innocent person being executed as the price for not executing criminals. Whoever committed that crime that someone else is convicted of KNOWS they are innocent and if we had the death penalty that person would just be another victim of that criminal.

3 In the current political climate I would not put it past our current leaders to use it to get rid of "awkward" people.

4 ultimately it would be more expensive as convicts would be more likely to appeal their sentence, their conviction.

"You can't have zero alcohol use as a licence condition because alcohol is legal." I genuinely do not see why not. They're still serving a sentence. They're not supposed to have alcohol in prison - even though it's a legal substance in uk.

"There is a strict list of what licence conditions can be imposed on a released prisoner. It can't just be made up, it has to fit in the defined list. It also has to be "proportionate" as otherwise the person can legally challenge it." And that hasn't been handed down on a stone tablet from the heavens! It's developed over hundreds of years. Laws and regulations can be changed.

Personally we have a ton of small, only reachable by certain methods, islands all around the uk. I'd have prisons on those for the worst offenders. Keep them the hell away from decent people.

"how can "no alcohol" or "no internet" be enforced though?" Precisely why people like this shouldn't be released. If they can access the triggers to their deviant behaviour they will we've seen it umpteen times.

"But I don't know what else can be done because you can't watch them all the time." KEEP THEM IN PRISON!

I was surprised to see a recent picture of him too.
It would be very easy for someone to recognise him.
Such hideous crimes that I wouldn't be surprised if someone took the law into their own hands. Not that I advocate that of course.

Myra Hindley probably would get parole if the question was being asked now, in 2018.

If you go back to my first post on this thread, I did say that I personally did not think he should be released. Not at all.

I'm just explaining how the process works now he is being released.

I always got the feeling that Myra Hindley was keep inside for her own safety as much as anything else.

storm Certainly in Scotland released offenders have had licensing conditions imposed on them making it a condition on their release not to consume any alcohol or use the internet at all. Although the later isn’t used just as often as the normal condition of not deleting history etc.

And our police certainly don’t have the technology to remotely view someone’s internet usage (if I picked you up correctly on a previous posy)?

"This isn’t about whether he’ll do it again, it’s about the fact he did it."

I agree.

I do not believe in Capital Punishment, and I am very much in favour of the rehabilitation of those who have committed crimes alongside their punishment.

But for a multiple murder of children like this, unless there is some factor like mental illness that made him unaware of what he was doing or unable to make decisions, then the punishment does have to be extreme. He should not be let out. He did something irredeemably bad.

People on licence cannot be watched 24/7 however. So yes of course sometimes people do break licence conditions and don't get caught. But I don't know what else can be done because you can't watch them all the time

In this particular case - and any others where resources are insufficient to keep the rest of us safe from a serious offender - I'd have thought there's a perfectly simple thing to be done

Keep them inside

What is curious is that he has failed to convince the parole board for the past 25 years and most recently in 2016. What has changed? Has he followed the Warboys method? Why aren’t parole hearings open to the public? Why the secrecy?

I’d be really interested to know the justification for the secrecy and lack of transparency at parole hearings. Does rehabilitation involve the dark arts and secret magic? Do the parole boards think the general public just wouldn’t understand? Does anyone know?

People posting on this thread aren’t ‘a baying mob’. They’re justifiably outraged and appalled. Virtue signalling of the highest order. Do you want this man to stay in prison, to prevent potential irrevocable harm, or do you want the warm, fuzzy satisfaction of feeing like a nice, forgiving person? I know what I prefer.

I'm not 'virtue signalling', thanks, Robotic. Nor am I after 'warm, fuzzy satisfaction' - how patronising! And neither do I need to forgive him, because nothing was done to me. If I were the mother of these children, forgiveness would be very, very hard, perhaps impossible, which is why we have judges and juries rather than just handing perpetrators of appalling violent crimes over to victims and their families for mob justice. And I don't know whether I want this man to stay in prison or not, because I know virtually nothing about his case, just like everyone else here. The parole board do, though. And no, Marilyn, they're not 'magical' facts, just facts that you and I aren't privy to.

For the record also, for those suggesting it, I'm not saying having a psychiatric illness is any kind of excuse for what he did or means he should get off lightly or something - not that he has, anyway - but what I'm saying is that it may well be germane to deciding what is best to do now. Diagnosis and understanding of psychiatric disorders is much better than it was 45 years ago, and the nature of what he was or now is likely to do is therefore more amenable to assessment. Treatments and psychiatric drugs are also a world away from what would have been available at that time.

I think most of the people on this thread need to accept that they're not very well qualified to assess the merits of this parole decision - and I include myself in that. Given that, it's awful, in my view, how many seem to be in favour of mindlessly meting out the kind of inhuman treatment that he was imprisoned for in the first place.

@Artofhappiness

yes I'm struck by that too - are the parole board under pressure to start releasing?!

the BBC timeline is interesting
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46437471

I have always been against capital punishment. But when people like this are freed, it feels like a betrayal of people who are anti death penalty. I think a lot of people feel that the acceptable alternative to the death penalty is that people like this will never be released.

Even though I’m anti death penalty if you gave me the choice of this man being hanged or walking the streets free, I’d have to say hanged every time.

Things like this so test my opposition to the death penalty.

Someone capable of being so sick and twisted will never reform. I’m not sure whether I’m more disturbed about his vile crimes or the fact there are clearly equally as sick people out there who actually believe he should be released?

I’d ask myself if I could trust him with with MY children and then say “yeah, he’s done his time, let him free”.

Like the fuck.

It doesn’t matter why he did it, though. The reasons are absolutely irrelevant. We don’t need to be privy to all this information. He committed three murders, wicked crimes against defenceless children, and mutilated the bodies. That’s all we need to know. He should be inside forever. That’s it.

Diagnosis and understanding of psychiatric disorders is much better than it was 45 years ago, and the nature of what he was or now is likely to do is therefore more amenable to assessment. Treatments and psychiatric drugs are also a world away from what would have been available at that time.

Most personality disorders, which I think is the only reasonable possible explanation, remain completely untreatable and are not receptive to either drugs or therapy.

He’s never argued he has something like a schizophrenic disorder that distorted his perception of reality, or bipolar. If he does have anything it can really only be a personality disorder.

Basically, you’re talking rubbish.

@MattFreisCheekyDimples I’m not being patronising. I’m telling you the truth. Virtue-signalling.