mils on mn sometimes turn the water works to guilt trip, and are known dc do it, but what about mners ? are you guilty of this ? must admit i've had the odd moment, but it's never been anything serious. my dm has been an expert in the past although i trained her by ignoring the very obvious crocodile tears so she doesn't do it now. if she gets upset it is the real deal and i'm sympathetic. so what about you ?