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To not let my best friend hold my baby?

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 16:30

NC but a frequent commenter on posts and posted a few times.

For context: I'm currently in my third trimester of my first successful pregnancy and friend is autistic. However this wasn't an issue before.

So, I have been the best friend of someone for over three years (let's call her Jane). When we first became friends, Jane was very tidy (almost too tidy) and had two pets that she generally kept clean. She cleaned every day, kept on top of things very well and her and her partner split cooking as she is vegetarian and he isn't. All seemed fine, she always looked presentable, their home smelt a little of the pets food but mostly clean, and the windows were opened to let the home air out. She had issues with hoarding, but would clear out things once every few months. Her partner has never had any interest in cleaning or helping her to do any housework, and doesn't work, but he's always "ill" with one thing or another and she just lets him do nothing, despite that he is on carers allowance and supposed to be her main support.

Since the start of my pregnancy, it's gone terribly downhill. Whenever I see her she always looks unwashed, usually in the same clothes for a week and despite sometimes having a shower within hours of me meeting her, still absolutely stinks of a mix of B.O and off food. I used to go over to her home every day, mostly to check on her, but stopped as it absolutely stinks. She got a third animal that is shut in a tiny room and stinks, and the pets she had before are barely cleaned out and their messes are left to stink. The smell hits you when the door is opened, and the piles of stuff absolutely everywhere are awful. I probably sound awful, but I'm so horrified and upset to know it's gotten like this. I tried mentioning washing her clothes to her (as in that she washes them, which she used to love to do) but it was met with that she's trying her best. Her partner seems happy to live in this mess and still thinks getting the third pet was amazing despite not keeping the other two clean before they got the third one. He's now taken over the cooking but due to this doesn't see why he needs to help her clean. It's so depressing to see. I offered her multiple times to go over and help her with whatever she needs, and was there a couple of weeks ago cleaning all the mould off of her main windowsill but I stank, all in my hair and clothes, and wasn't there for more than two hours. With all of this, and her lack of concern about opening windows or cleaning out her pets, means usually she smells awful. I feel horrid writing this, but it's true. Her clothes and her smell and I find it hard being in shops with her a lot too, but it's too cold to sit outside for a drink and catch up these days. I've had our friends ask me to stay at my home instead of hers as they hate it too. I just don't want my newborn, that she will undoubtably want to hold a lot, to smell.

So my main question is, how can I help with this situation? And if I can't help, how can I stop my baby from smelling or her holding the baby? I honestly think this friend is wonderful otherwise and don't want this friendship to end, she truly can be the most amazing person. I'm just at a loss of what to do.

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gassylady · 30/11/2018 16:33

Contact social care department for vulnerable adults at your local authority. If she needs a carer then I would say she might fall under their remit

BifsWif · 30/11/2018 16:35

If you’re such close friends can you speak
to her? Tell her honestly that you want her to bond with your baby but you’re concerned about her hygiene.

It’s clear she’s struggling.

Ohyesiam · 30/11/2018 16:36

What does she say is going on when you talk to her about it?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2018 16:37

If I had to swear on the Holy Book. I do think you are being a bit OTT..
B.O is hardly catching is it.

Snowwontbelong · 30/11/2018 16:37

Maybe a check up from rspca to see if she is managing to meet the needs of her pets? Doesn't sound it!
And ring the council's vulnerable adult dept.

MissingSummer · 30/11/2018 16:56

Could she be depressed if this is a sudden change? Things like personal hygiene are often the first things to go out of the window. This situation feels bigger than not wanting her to hold your baby (who isn't here yet) though. Her DP sounds like a waste of space and less than supportive.

Tillytrotter123 · 30/11/2018 17:00

Snowwontbelong - I completely agree with this. As much as she needs help the poor animals sound as though they are suffering too.

If you don’t feel like helping her is getting anywhere then speak to the council, she is obviously suffering.

WorraLiberty · 30/11/2018 17:01

The biggest problem here isn't the fact you'll have to pop the baby in the bath after she's held it.

She clearly needs some sort of home intervention.

Can you contact anyone for her?

Perren · 30/11/2018 17:01

She's not coping and there are bigger issues here then holding the baby. She needs help and it sounds like you're the only person who can get the ball rolling. As others have advised someone needs to check on her and the pets

Birdsgottafly · 30/11/2018 17:01

I agree that she's a vulnerable Adult who may be being exploited/financially abused.

The mould you describe is a health hazard, it causes lung disease and spores can be carried.

If have actslk with the pair of them. He is definately not a drug user or drinker?

And I report it all to anyone I could.

Sunisshining5346 · 30/11/2018 17:03

How long have you been friends?

Sunisshining5346 · 30/11/2018 17:03

Also does she have parents / family?

bringbackthestripes · 30/11/2018 17:23

RSPCA for a start, I get she is struggling but no poor animal should be suffering. They might give her enough of a shock to get her in motion and to accept help for herself.

StrangeLookingParasite · 30/11/2018 17:24

If I had to swear on the Holy Book. I do think you are being a bit OTT..
B.O is hardly catching is it.

You can't be serious with this comment, surely?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2018 17:27

Well it's not or is it Confused

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2018 17:29

Oh sorry I missed the word her.
I thought op said How do I stop my baby from smelling.
Lets not have a bun fight.

Cantusethatname · 30/11/2018 17:29

It's not catching but an adult has ac choice whether to go near a person who smells bad and a baby doesn't.

starcrossedseahorse · 30/11/2018 17:37

RSPCA

Vedette89 · 30/11/2018 17:43

Irrespective of whether you're having a baby or not, your friend sounds vulnerable and you should call social services to do a welfare check.

SnuggyBuggy · 30/11/2018 17:46

I agree with a welfare check for her and her animals, she sounds very vulnerable. I would keep your baby away, they can react strongly to smells.

AwkwardPaws27 · 30/11/2018 18:05

Please call the RSPCA; they do try and work with owners, not just remove animals, where possible.
They might be able to persuade her to consider rehoming the new pet if there are too many to care for.
She sounds vulnerable and like she is struggling, but that's not a reason to ignore animals who will get sick or develop sores if standing in urine and faeces.
Additionally, adult social care or your local mental health crisis team might be able to offer some support. Could she be depressed (self-neglect is common in depression)?

Jux · 30/11/2018 18:16

Please contact Adult Social Care and tell them that her so-called carer isn't doing much caring, that her home is a shit hole and she smells, no one is cleaning up after the pets and that she needs help.

floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:23

Thank you so much everyone for your responses, I never knew the council could help with these things! So I just ring up, explain I'm worried and that's it? Sorry, not sure what to do.

One of our mutual friends phoned RSPCA about two months back? Friend just said that she's trying to bond the pets which is why one was shit away and they didn't seem bothered about the mess of the poor creatures. Should I phone again? Any time I try bringing up the animals lack of space it's "but we're trying to bond them". She got the third pet back in July I think and it's still shut away.

As for her partner, he's awful. I've said multiple times I don't know why she puts up with it but it's always that she loves him. He's addicted to codeine, but because he suffers with migraines she still buys it for him. And if someone reported the carers allowance thing they wouldn't be able to afford his costas everyday and she'd get blamed for that, and I don't want to make her situation worse.

She does have depression and had therapy for 20 weeks that ended three weeks ago, but seemed to get worse as it went on. I'm trying to make her make a GP appointment for Monday to get help but she doesn't know what help she wants, as she's already on meds.

Again, thank you. And you're all right, I'm so worried and it's bigger than her holding the baby. I want to sob in frustration at her. I tried yesterday spending most of the day with her, and when the conversation turned to her partner not helping her she just says he's in pain and it's not his fault. My partner had chronic pain issues, yet still works and helps me, so I pointed that out, and then she got pissy and just said sorry. I don't want her to be sorry, I just want her to not let it be like this. Her partner also phones her about every ten minutes to an hour when we go out saying he's bored or in pain and when will she be home, and then we have to rush. It's not her job to be his nurse or entertainer!

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Sunisshining5346 · 30/11/2018 18:25

If you could speak to her parents or family..maybe they aren't aware of the situation as it is.

She is a vulnerable adult. It is very common with autism to let things go I.e hygiene, appearance, house chores etc..you obviously have to be very delicate with her and how you approach this. In her head things won't be as bad as what they are to you, and that's not her fault..

Sit her down and just talk to her, tell her as a friend your worried now the house isn't what it use to be like..do a chart with her on what cleaning chores should be done each day.

I have an autistic sister, they need structure, rotas, etc..it maybe common sense to you how things need to be, but to her it won't be at all.

floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:26

Also her pets have sores on their feet and have done for a long time, she takes them to the vets but the conditions they are in don't change.

And of course BO isn't catching but it's worrying and also babies react badly to smells sometimes.

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