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To not let my best friend hold my baby?

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 16:30

NC but a frequent commenter on posts and posted a few times.

For context: I'm currently in my third trimester of my first successful pregnancy and friend is autistic. However this wasn't an issue before.

So, I have been the best friend of someone for over three years (let's call her Jane). When we first became friends, Jane was very tidy (almost too tidy) and had two pets that she generally kept clean. She cleaned every day, kept on top of things very well and her and her partner split cooking as she is vegetarian and he isn't. All seemed fine, she always looked presentable, their home smelt a little of the pets food but mostly clean, and the windows were opened to let the home air out. She had issues with hoarding, but would clear out things once every few months. Her partner has never had any interest in cleaning or helping her to do any housework, and doesn't work, but he's always "ill" with one thing or another and she just lets him do nothing, despite that he is on carers allowance and supposed to be her main support.

Since the start of my pregnancy, it's gone terribly downhill. Whenever I see her she always looks unwashed, usually in the same clothes for a week and despite sometimes having a shower within hours of me meeting her, still absolutely stinks of a mix of B.O and off food. I used to go over to her home every day, mostly to check on her, but stopped as it absolutely stinks. She got a third animal that is shut in a tiny room and stinks, and the pets she had before are barely cleaned out and their messes are left to stink. The smell hits you when the door is opened, and the piles of stuff absolutely everywhere are awful. I probably sound awful, but I'm so horrified and upset to know it's gotten like this. I tried mentioning washing her clothes to her (as in that she washes them, which she used to love to do) but it was met with that she's trying her best. Her partner seems happy to live in this mess and still thinks getting the third pet was amazing despite not keeping the other two clean before they got the third one. He's now taken over the cooking but due to this doesn't see why he needs to help her clean. It's so depressing to see. I offered her multiple times to go over and help her with whatever she needs, and was there a couple of weeks ago cleaning all the mould off of her main windowsill but I stank, all in my hair and clothes, and wasn't there for more than two hours. With all of this, and her lack of concern about opening windows or cleaning out her pets, means usually she smells awful. I feel horrid writing this, but it's true. Her clothes and her smell and I find it hard being in shops with her a lot too, but it's too cold to sit outside for a drink and catch up these days. I've had our friends ask me to stay at my home instead of hers as they hate it too. I just don't want my newborn, that she will undoubtably want to hold a lot, to smell.

So my main question is, how can I help with this situation? And if I can't help, how can I stop my baby from smelling or her holding the baby? I honestly think this friend is wonderful otherwise and don't want this friendship to end, she truly can be the most amazing person. I'm just at a loss of what to do.

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:27

*shut not shit! Sorry!!

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:29

Also, her pets are basically the only reason she has to keep going some days, and she does give them attention but I think she's try to kill herself if they get rehomed.

I mentioned it about the new one but it wasn't taken well at all.

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TatterdemalionAspie · 30/11/2018 18:32

I understand that the baby is the centre of your world, but honestly, do you think your baby smelling unwashed if she holds it is really the most pressing concern in this situation? Babies don't care about BO. Hmm

Your friend is clearly very vulnerable and in a very unhealthy situation. She needs help and support. I totally get that it's frustrating when someone won't see the wood for the trees and help themselves, but she sounds depressed and as though she's not coping at all. I would peak very plainly to her about your concerns - she might need a shock to the system to realise that this situation is out of control and that others can see that.

What animals are you talking about? Rabbits?

floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:32

Her family don't seem to be aware, however they are very much 'make do with what you've got' type people and I think are too nice to try and mention the mess! She used to have a schedule, diary and journal and get up at a good time every day, have a morning routine, lunch always at 1, and a fantastic evening routine that started at 7. Her partner sleeping all day, demanding she be home with him and staying up late being inconsiderate with noise ruined all of that. I don't like him but she loves him so I try to bite my tounge.

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 18:36

Any idea how I can say all of this without her hating me and cutting contact? I can't imagine how much worse she'd be without someone getting her out the house and to rant to when her partner is being shit. And yes, rabbits. Worried that will be outing but I just want to help her.

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tinselfest · 30/11/2018 18:55

Like others have already said - RSPCA.

She's a human, she can ask for help (and choose not to also) but those animals are suffering.

SnuggyBuggy · 30/11/2018 18:56

Babies can be sensitive to smells, mine used to cry whenever you walked her past Lush

labazs · 30/11/2018 18:59

rabbits need space not being confined they need to be clean or they get maggots on their rear ends you have to be careful with them what is underfoot or they get bad sores rabbit are quite delicate animals

cupboardwithashelf · 30/11/2018 19:00

Please get her help. She's being abused and is a vulnerable adult.

Bunnymumma · 30/11/2018 19:02

Not reporting this to the RSPCA and your social services dept won't make you a good friend, it will actually just make you a bit of a negligent human.

For your friends sake, she needs an actual carer, not this bum of a boyfriend, so the carers allowance can go and she'll get DLA for herself.

The animals are absolutely suffering. I'm sure if they were children you'd do something, so take the responsibility and act safe in the knowledge you are doing the right thing for absolutely everyone involved.

CharlesChickens · 30/11/2018 19:03

Your poor friend, and the poor rabbits. They must have sore feet from urine burns.
Op you sound such a kind hearted and thoughtful friend. I really hope that the council can help your friend in some way. It seems as though her partner is simply dragging her down, is he controlling ?

BlueCookieMonster · 30/11/2018 19:04

Never mind the baby, I’d be ringing social care, it sounds as if she’s getting in a bit of a state. She needs help.

Sunisshining5346 · 30/11/2018 19:22

You just need to be very calming and reassuring to her. Her autism obviously will make her extremely sensitive.

The way I deal with situations with my sister is say something like ' look we need to try and do something with your house and the animals, I'm not being nasty at all. it's just I have noticed it's got a bit worse..having your own house is so hard isn't it?!..remember that time you came to mine, and my kitchen was a mess?!...' comparing her to you if you can, so she won't feel like you are critisizing her, she will feel more relaxed.

You can't do a lot about her boyfriend, apart from tell her you have noticed he isn't very nice to her sometimes, and normal relationships aren't like that.

PurpleDaisies · 30/11/2018 19:38

Surprised that her holding your baby is what you’ve posted about. She sounds in a dreadful situation.

StellaWouldYouTakeMeHome · 30/11/2018 19:41

Be aware that sometimes people just have different standards, some people see untidy as unclean when in fact it’s just not tidy.

Suggest she hires cleaner. (Frame it as creating spare time, not that she’s untidy)

Perhaps she likes to wear that particular outfit so maybe see if she could get a few sets of the same, and suggest more gentle toiletries as it may be sensory issues,

Don’t call social services she doesn’t need that

floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 19:42

I mention about the poor rabbits every time I see her, yet it's always met with "once they bond it'll be fine" but it's been since July. She'd refuse to give any of them up and hurt herself if someone tried to force it. I will however definitely make a call to RSPCA again, and hope she sees sense. The shut in rabbit chews things trying to get out, and is still nippy, I think from frustration over the lack of space.

Do I try talking to her then phoning people if things don't improve, or just call places tomorrow morning without speaking to her about it?

Also her ESA gets paid into his account. If his carers allowance was stopped, he's use the ESA to buy codeine/coffee and that's eat into her money for shopping for household bits. She's also in serious debt already so her having less would be awful.

I feel so stuck. Report to carers allowance, she would be worse of financially and he'd take it out on her. But don't report and he gets paid for being a lazy arse except cooking and buying himself some food.

I'm also terrified of her cutting contact as she'd know it was me, but I can't just let this carry on.

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 19:45

She chooses her own clothes and soaps, so not sensory as she makes sure she likes them before buying. And she does have a few favourites of outfits but changes into the same things as her partner isn't helping to wash them and she forgets to.

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floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 19:47

Also she would never be able to afford a cleaner, and hates others touching her things, especially strangers. It is unclean though. Her animals waste is not cleaned up, there are things everywhere and her bathroom wasn't cleaned for three months until another friend did it for her.

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Charmlight · 30/11/2018 19:53

Quit the angst. Just ring Adult Social Care. She won’t know who’s reported unless you admit it. I think that they will contact the RSPCA.

LizzieBennettDarcy · 30/11/2018 20:16

Ring your local county council Adult social services helpdesk. Say you have a concern about someones welfare. They will soon see she needs help. And reporting can be anonymous. She obviously needs professional help here, and you're being a good friend by doing so.

GhostSauce · 30/11/2018 20:16

Mental health issues and close friendship aside, I wouldn't hesitate to report any friend to the rspca if I thought they were mistreating or neglecting an animal.

Phone them again and seriously suggest they do a surprise visit. Poor animals.

MamaLovesMango · 30/11/2018 20:27

The biggest thing that jumps out at me is that she is a vulnerable adult in an (from what you’ve posted) emotional and financial abusive relationship.

GP appointment is a good idea and then when you get there, ask to go in with her as her advocate and tell her all your worries in front of the GP. Otherwise contact adult social care. You need a professional’s input ASAP before the situation gets worse.

floatingcarrot · 30/11/2018 20:27

In which case I'll phone both in the morning. I'm not trying to be angsty at all. She's in a shit situation and isn't getting the help or support she needs, and I hate watching it slip worse and worse. I'm just scared she will know, that she'll stop contact and then end up so much worse off with nobody to talk to.

Is there anything else, aside from calling my council and RSPCA, that anyone thinks I should do? Talking about it to her seems to get me nowhere, but I'll try anything.

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DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 30/11/2018 20:31

Her benefits being paid into his account is a major red flag. I think if you contact the social work department (either phone or write a letter if it helps) they will at least look into the situation.
One thing which is in her favour is that she has friends- try to keep communication going with her, because if her partner can isolate her, things are likely to get much worse.

BMW6 · 30/11/2018 20:34

I feel sorry for your friend - but much sorrier for the animals.

Please, please ring RSPCA again and stress how dreadful it is for them.
She is not able to look after any animals. She is not putting their welfare front and centre. She is deluded if she thinks she is "bonding" with them - she is in fact torturing them, unwittingly. They are enclosed in too small a space, wallowing in their own shit and urine. Even the air they breathe is foul.

Your friend certainly needs urgent help. The animals need to be rescued NOW.

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