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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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montenuit · 26/11/2018 15:57

This isn't really about the £200 is it?
I think if you start dwelling on that you'll look spiteful tbh. You (on the surface) have everything. Your parents will just say they help her now and again and would help you too if you needed it.

Your issue is how you were treated as teenagers. Which fair enough sounds outrageous and unfair.

If you pile in about her getting help now, when you're helping her too by the way, it won't end well. I'd have a bigger discussion.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 26/11/2018 17:13

Sorry op. Didn’t mean to upset you. But I think you need to hear it from an outsiders impartial view. You have every right to be angry.

But you have to look at your actions too. In one breath you’re saying you can’t believe that someone of her age is accepting handouts from your parents whilst at the same time slaving yourself into overtime to also give her a massive handout by treating her kids.

(By the way she could and should have offered to pay at the very fucking least that 10% for the trip. You said she’s out partying and drinking recently. Yeah that’s her priority. Not you. Not her kids)

You are enabling her childlike dependency. And I totally get it’s because you love her. But that’s what your parents will say. They love her they don’t want to see her struggle etc. But they’re ok with you working your arse into the ground...to provide for your sisters kids.

This is about much more than the money. I hope the fog stuff makes sense and helps. You sound lovely and it honestly breaks my heart to hear you still trying to rationalise your family situation without upsetting anyone. You should be angry.

Smatergiesstratergies · 26/11/2018 17:33

Yes - parents failing to parent a difficult child - exactly what happened in my family, a very difficult person also using her mental health difficulties and every one of life’s setbacks to full advantage.

It is easy to say that though, it’s very hard to parent a difficult child and then a difficult adult - feelings of guilt can be overwhelming and parents who are getting on are easily manipulated.

Each one of my adult siblings has a raft of parental crimes that were done to them and really, remember your parents aren’t setting out to hurt you. Mine must’ve been absolutely desperate at many points and they’re still effectively apologised to the difficult sibling with their enabling behaviour.

It is the season of kindness nearly!

Wormthatturned · 26/11/2018 18:35

Oh gosh, it seems that so many of us have this!
My parents constantly sub my youngest brother and his family because they want to be ‘fair’. We all had the same opportunities but this brother, who is intelligent and able but has never really wanted an affluent lifestyle, has chosen a very easy job which isn’t as well paid as the rest of us but he enjoys plenty of downtime.
It causes distress to my patents that he can’t afford the luxuries we work for so they want to ‘even things out’ and have given him help financially and with childcare over the years.
I’ve broached the subject in the past but they feel strongly that he should have everything we have and, at the end of the day, I understand that it’s their money and time. Mum knows that I don’t really see it from her point of view so now she tries to keep it secret and I just feel mean.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 18:38

Well it’s true. My mum said she was quite shocked I was raising it as an issue as she doesn’t see why I would begrudge it my sister. She said they all thought it was the best thing for her (my sister) and that I should just be glad she isn’t struggling for money.

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Grace212 · 26/11/2018 18:49

interesting update
did you say anything about the holiday - I think it's awful if your DSis let you pay for that knowing that she had £200 extra pcm - or did you offer before she started to get that money?

even then, she should have said "actually, I can pay for this now" if the £200pcm came later.

I feel for you OP.

BlueJava · 26/11/2018 18:53

I don't really see why you are upset - both you and your parents perpetuate your sister's behaviour. Your parents support her, and you and your DH have also bought her and her DC(s) a holdiay. She will never grow up. You can't control what your parents do but I don't think you should treat her as a child too.

woollyheart · 26/11/2018 18:57

At least the £200 is out in the open. You can tell your sister that her children should come on the holiday properly equipped and with spending money.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 18:59

My sister was already in receipt of the money when I offered to take the children away on holiday but I just didn’t know about it. I didn’t mention the holiday to my mom though because she’s not involved with it so there was no issue to raise with her.

bluejava - I haven’t bought my sister a holiday. She isn’t coming with us, I’m just taking my nieces.

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RandomMess · 26/11/2018 19:16

You have worked overtime to take your DN away whilst your DS is being given money to go out and socialise and she's entitled that she hasn't offered the 10% you originally asked for...

Tara336 · 26/11/2018 19:29

I have exactly same situation with my brother. I worked my way up through my career and have done well, now own a business with my DP. My brother and SIL line hand to mouth, are not poor wage earners just poor with money management. My brother and SIL are constantly bailed out by my parents and never pay them back. Have been given two cars, my DN now aged 14 has been clothed by my parents since birth. My mum even had to give them the contents of her freezer one month as they had no money for food and had to walk away from Tesco checkout after cards were refused.

My mum looked after my DD so I could work and I paid her for doing it, when DN was born my mum looked after her so SIL could work yet they didn’t pay as apparently they struggle for money, yet have enough for booze and fags.

I have never and will not take a penny off them, but to be told they are considering changing wills so that my DN and DD have the majority of money as they can’t trust DB really stings

Grace212 · 26/11/2018 19:41

"My sister was already in receipt of the money when I offered to take the children away on holiday but I just didn’t know about it"

I feel it was real CFery on your sister's part to accept your offer tbh.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 26/11/2018 19:45

Well as your mum has now said she’s not struggling for money, she can pay for her dd’s holiday can’t she.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 19:51

I feel it was real CFery on your sister's part to accept your offer tbh.

This is what stings the most to be honest. I wouldn’t have offered to pay for it all if I knew she was getting that much money given to her each month.

I always thought my sister was someone I could always trust and rely on but now I feel like she’s been taking me for a mug.

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RandomMess · 26/11/2018 20:04

I would tell your sister that you feel taken for a mug having worked overtime to afford to take DN away with no childcare help when all the time she could have afforded to contribute something towards it.

As for your DF refuses to help with the DC I would tell him it's not just about the £ it's the fact he won't invest his time with your DC like he's not interested in having a bond with them...

Sugarformyhoney · 26/11/2018 20:06

I hear you. DM was a nurse and my sister trained as a nurse while fully supported financially by my parents. As I had to move out I had bar and shop jobs to support me.. anyway we were both out of work at once and whe looking through the jobs page, dm was finding jobs for dsis and really enthusiastically helping her. When I commented that there wasn’t much about in general I was met with ‘ oh well Dsis is looking for a PROPER job’
Fast forward a few years dsis has decided since having children that she doesn’t want to nurse anymore and does s very part time sales job. Dm has bankrolled all of this, frequently spoils her and the children and pays for their essentials.
Meanwhile I’ve been back to uni and work super hard at a professional but relatively low paid job. DM couldn’t be less proud or interested if she tried.
I’m sorry for you op I don’t know what the answer is. I think you just have to try and cease all expectations hard as it is

AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2018 20:07

She said they all thought it was the best thing for her (my sister) and that I should just be glad she isn’t struggling for money.

This just makes me so angry. I'd have told Mum that I'd be 'glad' if she could support herself without their help.

My BFF has similar with her DSis. Her parents actually did a home equity loan on their house to pay of DSis' debt and she works full time at a good wage, she just lives beyond her means! Then BFF's dad lost his job and they almost lost their home due to the higher payment. Do you think DSis offered to help them out? She did not, and they didn't ask her to. But they expected BFF & her DH to bail them out.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 20:19

I genuinely can’t believe how common this situation is!!

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KTheGrey · 26/11/2018 20:26

I would point out to my sister and parents how much overtime I'd had to do to pay for the neices' share of the holiday. And then wait ...

And I would step back from my parents a bit if they still couldn't see how unfairly they are behaving.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 20:35

I’m genuinely interested now as to how much income she has each month due to her wage, benefits, money from her Ex and the money from my parents. I have a feeling though that the answer would make me feel even more irritated.

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Quantumblue · 26/11/2018 20:36

oP you sound lovely and as if you just play be different rules from your sister. It is a really nice thing to be taking your nieces away and I would certainly suggest to your sister that she starts saving for their spec money.
Your parents have been hurtful and unfair and clearly have fallen into some insane enabling of your sister.
One more thing to watch out for. When your parents become old and infirm it will be the competent 'sorted' daughter who is expected to care for them, take them to appointments, etc etc. while continuing to hold down a job. The 'sensitive and fragile ' daughter will find it all too much unless she is getting them down to the bank for a quick withdrawal.
Just remember you would rather be you in your life.

singingsoprano · 26/11/2018 20:54

My husband's family are/were the same. DH eldest, 2 younger brothers. We got married first, no help with wedding (not that we expected any), but middle brother had his wedding paid for and youngest brother had huge engagement party paid for, but didn't progress to marriage. Both brother's had driving lessons and first cars bought for them, we paid for our own etc. You get the picture. In-laws were staying with us a few weeks before Xmas, MIL won £2500 on the lottery. Middle brother's daughter got a brand new bike, dolls house etc, our children got a pair of pajamas each.Our son went to university to study nursing, middle brother's daughter went to study art. She was given £200 per month by grandparents, our son got nothing.
It's hard not to feel hurt by the obvious favouritism, so I understand where you are coming from. [Flowers].

Thehop · 26/11/2018 20:55

Of you want to know, go on www.entitledto.com and enter your details as though you were her. (Nothing identifying it doesn’t ask her name or anything)

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 21:05

I can’t get the link to work.

My DH isn’t best pleased now all this has come to light. He doesn’t begrudge my nieces a nice holiday but I think his opinion of my sister has gone down a little....

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Thethiniceofanewday · 26/11/2018 21:14

Hi OP, another non-supported sister checking in here....a few years ago at Christmas I had just sold my wedding ring to pay my car insurance, my dad let slip that he'd paid for my sister and her husband to fly long-haul for their Christmas holiday.

Then he admitted he'd been subbing her for years because he didn't want her to 'miss out' - I'd got married young and she was single for about 10 years, but husband and I lived in London and she lived in a very much cheaper part of the UK.

I'd always thought I must be bad with money as I couldn't understand how she could afford holidays and art classes and beautiful things in her home and even with 2 wages we couldn't. He didn't think it was unfair and said it would all even out in the end.

I'm NC with them all now for the sake of my mental health. It's not just about the money, it's the judgement implied about who is worthy of support and who isn't.

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