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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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kittykarate · 26/11/2018 13:09

Are you actually the golden child? Because when I read about their expectations of you, and how even if you did well it would be noted that you could have done better - it doesn't actually feel like you are the golden child at all. To me a golden child is one who can do no wrong, any achievement is praised to the skies etc. and that really doesn't seem to be what has happened.

It just seems like all your life all your achievements have been cut down, and you have to pander to your sister's failures. Your parents have made your successes the excuse for this, rather than actually treating you better than her.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:13

Your kids are potentially doing without, in order to give someone else a "treat". Not a basic, not a food parcel, or a school uniform. A luxury. A treat. I bet that makes your kids feel as valued as you feel to your parents. Do you really want the pattern to continue?

They aren’t going without. I’ve purposefully done overtime to pay for my sister’s daughters to come with us so the cost of bringing them isn’t coming out of the Family Pot of Money if that makes sense. Plus my children are very young so would have no concept of the idea of financially missing out, even if it were the case.

Regarding my uncle who let it slip - he practically begged me not to tell my parents or sisters that I knew about them giving her money so I doubt he will tell them that I’m now aware of it.

I can’t even work out why he knows about it anyway?

It feels like there’s a big secret and I’m the only one not in on it.

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Bloomcounty · 26/11/2018 13:17

QueenofmyPrinces My apologies then. I suppose the only thing to do is swallow your resentment and get on with it. Either you change, or you don't. If you don't, you need to come to a sense of peace with the situation and accept that it's your own choice to supplement your sister's income and financially support her family. Either that or you stop funding her. I feel your hurt about the situation, I really do. It sucks. But you can't change them, you can only change you.

senua · 26/11/2018 13:18

I’ve purposefully done overtime to pay for my sister’s daughters to come with us
For goodness sake! Listen to yourself!!
Is this the famous FOG : fear, obligation, guilt.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:18

senua - I don’t give my sister money, where have I ever said that I did? How have I been buying her love?

Plus, I’ve had my nieces in my life for 10 and 14 years and we are very close so I don’t know why you would accuse me of now wanting to buy their love too?

There’s nothing sinister about me wanting to take them on holiday with us, I simply just want to do something nice for them.

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SilentIsla · 26/11/2018 13:21

Has she no pride?

Grace212 · 26/11/2018 13:22

um...I feel like some posters are giving OP a really hard time for no reason.

OP, re your uncle, ah, that does make it harder, but I suppose the other thing is your sister is clearly spending money so you would be able to do an innocent face and ask her about that...

tbh even though your uncle asked you not to say, I'm afraid I would, but that's me.

blueshoes · 26/11/2018 13:22

It is a lovely gesture to offer to pay for your nieces' holiday. I don't think you should withdraw it as your nieces and dcs will get so much out of it. After all, that is why money is for.

As for you and your sister, you think she is favoured financially. She probably thinks you are favoured by your parents in terms of the regard they have for you and in coming to you for help and also your natural gifts which got you where you are. I totally get it (my older sister is similar to your sister in terms of getting the lion share of my father's largess on a need basis) whilst I am almost completely independent.

So many things ring true about parents enjoying and sometimes unconsciously enabling and fostering dependence through financial handouts to one sibling. You have just found out about the £200 a month and are understandably still reeling. Give a few more weeks. I think you will come to terms with it. If your parents can afford it, then it is their money. There is no easy way to raise the fact you are disgruntled with it.

The danger with saying stuff to your parents is that they will start to hide (even more) the fact they are subsidising your sister. It won't necessarily change their behaviour but makes the issue a white elephant in the family.

Your father refused to change his working hours to provide you with more childcare. That sucks. Maybe he did not think you had a real need. When my dh got suddenly made redundant, I told my father and he offered very generously a lump sum to both my dcs to secure their educational future. And he continues to subsidise my sister's luxury holidays.

You could do with the money, but do you want/need it enough to upset the dynamic in your family? Unfortunately, money is so tied up with emotions.

M3lon · 26/11/2018 13:23

Maybe the rumour isn't true....that might be why he is begging you not to confirm it...because you'll find out?

Just a thought....

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:29

blueshoes - I sharnt withdraw the holiday offer. It’s already paid for, all the children are excited (well, the 3 eldest) and like you say, they will get so much out of it.

M3lon - my Uncle would have no reason to spread rumours and cause trouble etc. He’s in his 40s, he’s a ‘normal’ person and is definitely not one for game playing or anything. His remorse was very genuine when he realised what he’d said.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:31

You could do with the money, but do you want/need it enough to upset the dynamic in your family? Unfortunately, money is so tied up with emotions.

No I don’t - hence why the main part of me is saying to just forget about it and carry on as normal.

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GinandGingerBeer · 26/11/2018 13:34

The thing is your DSis knows she's getting money from her parents, just as she knows you're paying for her DC's to go on holiday. She doesn't feel bad about it though does she? Otherwise, she would have said, 'it's lovely that you've offered but I can't let you pay, if you're happy to take them that's lovely but I'll pay for them'
So, her reaction is going to be 'defend defend defend'
Same with your parents I guess, they know it too, they're ok with treating you the way they do, they choose to, so they're going to defend themselves too.

So if you confront, I think you need to be prepared that they're not going to see your POV and this might make it even harder.

What do you want the outcome to be?
What's the worst outcome? For you?

M3lon · 26/11/2018 13:36

That's good to hear. I just think its always worth pointing out that you only know part of the story at the moment...there might be more to it, though in this case there probably isn't.

I'm inclined to think that you have probably done far better out of your parents different treatment of you and your sister than she has - though you have clearly BOTH been harmed by it in different ways.

I think you could probably ask in a low stakes way, why your parents have treated you so differently across your lives...it might give some insight that is useful...though nothing can turn back the clock.

FrankieChips · 26/11/2018 13:37

My sister is helped financially by my mother although she is a single mum with a deadbeat ex who doesn't contribute. My mum bought her cars, her furniture and appliances and gives her money for food shopping. I don't grudge her as she helps my mum a lot (takes her shopping, gets her shopping and cooks for her) but it worries me that in the future when my Mum is gone (which will hopfully not be for a long time) my sister will have to live in the real world and realise that she has it very easy.

Do you think that perhaps your mum does this because she feels like she has to worry about your sister? You are the 'good one', the one who made something of herself and who has a supportive husband and a good job. She probably feels a lot of pity towards your sister and pride towards you.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:40

What do you want the outcome to be? What's the worst outcome? For you?

I guess just an understanding of which they feel they have to give her so much financial help and why they’ve been doing it for 20 years when I haven’t had any. Perhaps if I could see things through their eyes I would understand it more and it wouldn’t seem so unfair.

The worst outcome would be for the relationship between me and my sister to be damaged.

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MoveOnTheCards · 26/11/2018 13:44

I would tell my sister to start putting aside some of the £200 she gets from your parents each month for the girls’ holiday clothes and spending money.

Passive aggressive I know, but it would make the point.

FWIW we have a VERY similar thing going on, it’s frustrating at best and hurtful the rest of the time, so you have my sympathy.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 26/11/2018 13:44

Op - I’m going to be straight with you. I think you’re a nice person and I sense you don’t want to rock the boat.

But why I don’t know. I don’t get any sense of love from your family at all. Your parents made you pay your way through uni then said - oh only a 2:1? Never mind. While at the same time giving your sister everything she needs.

I agree with whoever said you’re not the golden child. The golden child can fuck up and still remain favourite. I think your sister is golden child and your achievements are from you trying to win their affection.

The whole thing is toxic beyond belief. Why would you keep this status quo? It’s hideous. You say you doubt your parents know they’re doing it but I think their comments about your degree etc show they are deliberate.

I would read up on Fear Obligation Guilt and decide where you want to take this relationship. I think other posters are being harsh as it’s very frustrating trying to help someone out of it when they can’t see the situation they’re in.

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 26/11/2018 13:44

In this situation I think I would drop a few comments into conversation with my parents eg if there is a mention of sis being short of money you say "she could use some of the money you give her" you can say you've forgotten how you heard about it if asked. You could also say something like "I'll be glad when all this overtime is done, working extra to pay for dn's holiday has been tough." Don't accuse them directly of favouritism but just drop mentions of the differences in how you are treated into conversation as facts.

blueshoes · 26/11/2018 13:47

The worst outcome would be for the relationship between me and my sister to be damaged

I think there is a real and greater risk of damaging the relationship between you and parents as well. It is after all an implicit criticism of their parenting and the choices they have made.

What you want to know from them is why you are less loved than your sister. No parent can possibly answer that in a way that will not be misinterpreted in some way.

I don't think this is necessarily about the money. It goes beyond that.

Seaweed42 · 26/11/2018 13:49

The 'science' bit behind this system - it's a family dynamic that is at play here - look at attachment theory. No, your parents don't know they are doing it, and you don't know you are doing it to and your sister doesn't know she is doing it. Because a lot of the process is unconscious.
It's very hard to see your system from inside the system. Counselling etc can help to see the system.
The closeness in age is a factor. Your sister was born, all lovely. Next thing, baby no. 2 comes along. Guess what happens? Baby no 1 starts what is called the 'Protest'. Whinge, whinge, bad feelings towards new baby, baby is bad etc.
Baby no 2 has to get attention somehow. How does an 11mth old get attention? By upping their 'neediness'. By kicking off, complaining, protesting, I've a pain in my tummy, that's not fair, I'll shout louder so Mummy attends to me not you, making a big deal out of everything AND crucially - ALWAYS needing help, and not doing things for themselves. So Mummy and Daddy have this persistent guilt towards the protesting, more helpless child that is baby no 1.
This dynamic persist throughout into adulthood.
Baby no 2, just gets on with life. Doesn't protest (doesn't need to). Allows the louder, more protesting sibling to get more airtime, get more space, get more attention, be more needy. Baby no 2 has learned to separate from parents successfully, Baby no 1 has an incomplete separation dynamic that is, in this case, represented by the flow of attention and money from parents to Baby no 1.
Baby no 2 (that's you) also falls into the dynamic by being pulled into the guilt trap of providing support to 'needy' and 'protesting' Baby No. 1. You offer to help her without even noticing that you are doing it.
I have no answers on how to solve it though!
Self awareness and noticing without judging yourself is the only way forward.

blueshoes · 26/11/2018 13:51

Ultimately, if you confront your parents, you might not get closure. It could be the reverse. If accept that, then you can go in with your eyes open. Sometimes, it is better not to know?

You are a successful and fulfilled human being in your own right. You no longer need your parents' validation.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:51

agree with whoever said you’re not the golden child. The golden child can fuck up and still remain favourite. I think your sister is golden child and your achievements are from you trying to win their affection.

I actually feel upset at reading this because it’s true isnt it? My parents genuinely do prefer my sister over me no matter what I do don’t they? Sad

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Seaweed42 · 26/11/2018 13:52

Baby No 1* has to get attention somehow

Seaweed42 · 26/11/2018 13:54

I very very much doubt your parents love you any less than your sister. They give your sister more attention and support, that's not love. Your sister as the eldest Baby no 1, being so young when you came along, had to remain a baby in order to compete with the new baby.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 13:55

I will go and read about FOG - thank you.

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