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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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RandomMess · 29/11/2018 12:07

Or perhaps your Mum does and your Dad has been brainwashed by him over the decades that always helping her out is only "making things fair"

FilthyforFirth · 29/11/2018 12:10

I know what you mean. I only have one child so far but when I have more treating them fairly and equally is one of my top parenting priorities.

DH's sister has a very unhealthy relationship with her mum. They are obsessed with each other and there is no room for my lovely DH. It sometimes bothers him, but he feels better knowing he is self sufficient and can cope without his mum. Where it bothers me is that the favouritism has continued to our children as well. Our DS barely gets a look in, MIL is always busy with SIL's son and it is hurtful.

I was glad to read that they do at least see your DC even if they have refused to look after them.

Do you think he will help your mum see things from your POV?

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 12:11

Or perhaps your Mum does and your Dad has been brainwashed by her over the decades that always helping her out is only "making things fair"

Possibly. Ironically my mom always felt her own sister was favoured over her they’ve always had a strained relationship. Maybe my mom was so eager to endure my sister didn’t feel less worthy that she over compensated so much that it actually made me feel less worthy without realising it.

Maybe that’s why she’s so dismissive of me feeling second best because she can’t bear to think she’s done same thing to me that her parents did to her.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 12:16

Do you think he will help your mum see things from your POV?

He may try but I doubt he’d be successful as she’s incredibly stubborn and cannot see any way of doing things that are different to her own methods. Her attitude is that she knows best etc etc which is probably the angle she used to ‘convince’ my dad into them giving my sister the £200.

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RedDogsBeg · 29/11/2018 12:19

I did ask him about the lifts/childcare and what it came down to was the fact that because I’ve got a good set up in terms of income it wouldn’t even occur to him to think of ways to try and help us save money whereas that’s always the focus point of anything related to my sister.

He said if my sister had a good job and was married (so had a better income) then he’d have asked her for petrol money and lunch too in return for the driving round he did for her, but because she doesn’t then he would never ask.

It was the same thing in relation to childcare. He knew my sister wouldn’t have been able to afford full childcare for two children which is why he went out of his way so much to provide her childcare, whereas he knows I can afford 4 hours childcare so it’s not an issue that he doesn’t do it.

That's pretty appalling reasoning and the height of unfairness. He wants your sister to have a lovely life where she can afford all kinds of extras and luxuries but couldn't bring himself to help you save £80 a month.

It sounds a bit like they are trying to buy your sisters love and affection by keeping her dependent on them but they assume that your love and affection for them is guaranteed however they choose to treat you.

FilthyforFirth · 29/11/2018 12:21

How do you feel? Better, or the same? I hope you got something out of the conversation.

Even if your mum doesnt admit it, the fact that your dad, begrudgingly, has proved it true.

RedDogsBeg · 29/11/2018 12:22

Maybe that’s why she’s so dismissive of me feeling second best because she can’t bear to think she’s done same thing to me that her parents did to her.

I think that's the crux of it with your mother she can't face it or admit to it even to herself.

woollyheart · 29/11/2018 12:22

There is no doubt that she would be mortified to think that she has treated you as second best.

But you are allowed your own view of life as well.

The approach to her might be to explain that she can't just continue to rollercoaster her own views over yours and refuse to listen to you. From your perspective you have been treated unfairly and that very clear to you. She may not like it, but she can't completely ignore it without repercussions in your relationship.

Cornishclio · 29/11/2018 12:24

I am sorry but I don't buy your Dads explanation. In their minds they are trying to put the two of you on an equal footing but she presumably had kids young before she got established in a career, had a failed marriage and maybe struggled academically or maybe didn't work hard enough at school. No one is equal and we are all different. I would be really upset if either of my girls felt they were favoured and if either of them needed help we would without question regardless of their set up. My mum and dad did the same with me and my siblings and there is no secrecy around financial gifts or practical help.

Like others I would have thought the worst is your dad not being willing to look after your kids for 4 hours a week because you can afford to put them in childcare. How does he know what you can afford anyway as presumably your DH is not keen on them knowing all your circumstances. He has also missed out on grandparent time when many others would give anything to be involved in their lives when small. The foundations for a good relationship are set very early.

Are you always going to have to underplay your achievements in case your sister is upset and your parents job is apparently to make her feel better? That is such a warped way of thinking. My eldest DD has just got a really big promotion at work and the first to congratulate her is my youngest DD who although doing well at work does not have the same opportunities due to other commitments like children and lack of time.

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 12:26

I feel a little bit better. I don’t think I’ve got all the answers, I can’t say the hurt has lessened but having my upset acknowledged, alongside my dad’s acceptance that I was treated differently, has at least made me feel relieved that I haven’t been imagining it all this time.

I was supposed to be seeing my sister today but I’ve told her I’m not ready to talk just yet. I don’t know how I feel towards her at the moment and I don’t know the best eay to move on from this. As I’ve said before, I love my sister very much and I absolutely do not want our relationship to disintegrate or be damaged so I need to find a way to make sure this doesn’t happen whilst at the same time letting her know how hurt I feel.

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TBDO · 29/11/2018 12:47

This feels like a push/pull thing from your parents to ensure things are equal.

They pull things from you (no childcare, asking for petrol contribution to the hosp appointment even when you have a very one-off and good reason to ask for help, keeping secrets from you) whilst they push things at your sister.

If you’d got tutoring at the same level as your sister, could you have been pushed further, got better A levels, gone to a better university?

By trying to big up your sister, your parents have not bigged you up.

Cornishclio · 29/11/2018 12:51

I guess it comes down to whether you feel things should change or is it enough to have your feelings acknowledged by your sister and parents and for them to accept you are justified to feel as if you are less favoured. They do seem to be focusing on material wealth as a way of trying to make you both feel on an equal footing. There is no way that can happen. You have a rewarding career and a DH and presumably no money worries. Your Dsis is alone with teenagers in a poorly paid job.

Do you want them to help her less financially or even not at all? Would you want them to give you the same amount of money even if you don't need it? Or is it the secrecy that bothers you? When we helped our youngest DD with childcare costs by giving her and my son in law a monthly amount we had a conversation with our eldest saying if she has children we would obviously do the same for her she actually offered to pay half herself. In a way you have done a similar thing by paying for your DN to go on holiday so you have been a very kind sister and aunt. I think your sister has got so used to handouts from her parents she now sees it as her right. Your DM wants her to be happy so gives her money but is in fact holding her back and stopping her from trying to improve her position. What will happen when mum and dad are not around? Will she come to you?

There are no magic answers. Government policy in a way tries to sort this through our welfare system by helping those who need it by taking from those who don't. That also leads to resentment. Your family situation has highlighted how difficult it is to equalise everyone's standard of living.

RedDogsBeg · 29/11/2018 12:53

QueenofmyPrinces I think it will be difficult for you to move on from this with your sister.

Our lives are the result of the choices we make, your sister sounds jealous of you and your lifestyle and unwilling to accept that the choices she made are the reason for the difference so feels justified in expecting your parents to provide the wherewithal to fund the way she wants to live.

There is also the collusion in keeping things secret from you, which is devastating from someone who professes to be close to you and love you.

I wish you well and hope you can have an undamaged relationship with your sister after this as your love for her and her children shines out of this thread

senua · 29/11/2018 13:02

He said if my sister had a good job and was married (so had a better income) then he’d have asked her for petrol money and lunch too in return for the driving round he did for her
That seems strange to me. If I do things for the DC then I don't charge them, I do it out of love. I expect some reciprocity in 20 years time at some stage but not cash. (I know that not everyone can afford this but your parents obviously can if they've got a spare £100 every month.)
How come he can give huge gifts (boilers, driving lessons, etc) but begrudges a few miles' worth of petrol. What's going on there?Confused He's lying

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 13:11

How come he can give huge gifts (boilers, driving lessons, etc) but begrudges a few miles' worth of petrol. What's going on there?confused —He's lying—

If I’m honest I don’t think I will ever get to the bottom of it all and I imagine their memories of the past are foggy and probably can’t give the exact reasons why they did x, y and z. I may have to accept the fact that acknowledgement is the best I can hope for.

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Tiaptia85 · 29/11/2018 13:14

Queen
It's good your dad came over to talk.
At least you have one on your side, by the sound of it. Of cause, your mum will try and persuade everyone all that was right to do, but your dad listened.

You said that you loved your sister. Now is the point to understand if she loved you back?
It's hard to believe that over 20 years she was just foolish making mistake after mistake??

Don't want you to get upset but you have seen the real side of close to you people. It hurts and gonna hurt. ;(

I'm in 4th year after realisation; seeking phycological help now, as it has such a strong impact on my life.

But Im really happy your dad came and listened. In my case, there was no will..

Stay strong. You have DH and your kids. You need to concentrate on them and your own happiness. Xxx

AngeloMysterioso · 29/11/2018 13:22

It was the same thing in relation to childcare. He knew my sister wouldn’t have been able to afford full childcare for two children which is why he went out of his way so much to provide her childcare, whereas he knows I can afford 4 hours childcare so it’s not an issue that he doesn’t do it.

That’s not the point though, is it? He shouldn’t only ever help you out if he thinks you “need” it, he should help you out because he wants to! This perception of “need” is what is driving this whole situation. Your sister has all the “need”, so gets all the help. You are self sufficient so bollocks to making your life any easier in any way.

I’m so pissed off on your behalf OP. To be honest I don’t think I’d be able to continue a relationship with any of them.

RedDogsBeg · 29/11/2018 13:39

Angelo I agree with you, and needs have been and are still being confused with wants - OP's sister doesn't need and extra £200 a month she wants an extra £200 a month to blow on nights out and other fripperies.

As Dolly Parton famously said to her relatives "I can and will provide you with everything you need but I won't provide you with everything you want."

BitterLemonTart · 29/11/2018 13:53

It's amazing reading everyone's experiences of this. My DM was treated differently as she wouldn't ask for help however her DB did.
Now that she is a mum she treats us differently. As my DS says (not favoured child) "He/She who shouts loudest is always answered"

blueshoes · 29/11/2018 13:56

This confusion in the parents' eyes between needs and wants can be clarified if the parents knew what OP's sister has been spending the extra cash on.

Op, did you tell your dad, show him the photos?

Unicornandbows · 29/11/2018 14:01

It's good your dad and you have been able to have a good chat however I still don't feel like his reasoning are actually good.

If you had more help you could have thought of progressing your career and skills even more with their support. You have worked so hard to get to where you are and perhaps you could have gone even further or been even happier generally with less stress if they helped even 10% of what they helped your sister.

In terms of your sister having a a bad job that is her issue to get a better one it is down to her not your parents. She receives money right left center and probably has more money than you. Yet doesn't have to lift a finger which is frustrating. From their rationale if you earn a 100k salary are they going to supplement the remainder? Why would you have to work like a dog whilst she gets to play princess at home.

I'm sorry but I think your dads excuses are rubbish it might have been done unintentionally however if he 'changes' by helping out more practically or taking even an interest in your daily struggles and trying to be there to help you it's like putting a band aid on a broken arm

Silkie2 · 29/11/2018 14:19

I would say it's a carry over from your DMs childhood and she plays the ' has a harder life' to get your DF to comply. So was she the unloved younger sulus if a successful older sis whom she envied?

AngeloMysterioso · 29/11/2018 14:23

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that the OP is actually the younger sister.

IrmaFayLear · 29/11/2018 14:26

He said that my mom had said she just wanted us (me and my sister) to have equal lives and that if that meant them giving her money each month then that’s what they should do.

I'm not sure you can blame your dsis and certainly not take it out on the nieces. She was given money. She's been given lots of help. She obviously feels "lesser" whether that's her own fault or not and your parents feel it is their duty to try to bolster her up.

I see in threads on here and questions on money forums about parents wondering whether they should leave more money in their wills to try to even up things . (Barring any SN the answer is always no.) I guess it is an innate part of being a parent that you want equality of outcome. It's like the education threads where 99% of people agree that equality of opportunity is a non-negotiable, but you get the 1% who doggedly say that you need equality of outcome, and that chopping down tall poppies and throwing all resources at the less able is justifiable in the name of "fairness".

woollyheart · 29/11/2018 14:32

There is a difference between needs and wants. It can be difficult for others to distinguish between these as wants can easily be presented as needs.

Do you think your parents automatically assume everything that your sister asks for is a need. And everything that you ask for is a want? Because you need for nothing in their eyes?

Your DM is never going to be able to make your lives the same. She is only thinking in terms of material wealth. She also needs to think in terms of emotional support. Always caring for one child and not caring about the impact on the other has a negative emotional cost for you.

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