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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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RandomMess · 29/11/2018 11:25
Thanks
senua · 29/11/2018 11:32

He admitted that maybe he and my mom had been so focused on what my sister needed
Needed?Hmm Or demanded?
So how does he think their parenting strategy worked out. Is DSis a strong, independent adult or ...

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:34

I don’t know if ‘change’ is the right word but I do think he may be more aware now of how things may look through my eyes even if they seem fair through his eyes.

He asked me if I had spoken to mom and I said yes but that she completely dismissed me and told me I was overreacting.

I asked about the £200 my sister gets and he said that he wasn’t 100% comfortable about it but that our mom had really pushed on him that if they could help their daughter in any way than they should. I asked him why she felt that way about my sister but not me and he was honest and said that because I have a good job and better lifestyle then my mom doesn’t see why they should give money to me. I said that was fine, she was right and that I don’t want or need their money but it still made me feel rubbish to think that even after all these years my sister still seems to be their main priority in life.

I asked him what the £200 was actually intended for and he said that it wasn’t intended for any one thing in particular, but just for my sister to have some extra money rather than struggle and always be waiting upon payday. He said that my mom had said she just wanted us (me and my sister) to have equal lives and that if that meant them giving her money each month then that’s what they should do.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:37

Needed?hmm Or demanded?
So how does he think their parenting strategy worked out. Is DSis a strong, independent adult or ..

He had said that my sister had never straight out asked them for money at any point, but that they had simply offered it to her or spent it on her without her knowing (as in when they went and bought her a new boiler) because they felt obliged to in their quest to put us on an equal footing and to make her feel like she mattered to them.

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RandomMess · 29/11/2018 11:38

My question would always be why it's their responsibility for her to have an "equal life" when she never appears to have worked as hard...

If she worked hard but wasn't able, or chose the charity sector whilst you were an investment banker I could appreciate their sentiment!

So what was all the "you owe him lunch" about? Do they think you are somehow flush rather than have carefully worked out your priorities?

Do you think he has realised they enable DSIS to stay in her position of "not capable"?

FilthyforFirth · 29/11/2018 11:41

I just feel so sad for you. I hope your chat with your dad helped somewhat. I am curious to know what his excuse was regarding childcare and lifts? A lot of what he said seems to be around the financial side of things and ensuring you both are treated the same. Yet he cannot possibly think that the way they have treated you over non financial things can be the same.

worrymachine · 29/11/2018 11:42

Can I ask why it was kept from you OP? In my experience secrets are kept because they are well aware of how it looks / is .
In my case I suspect the my sister primed my parents by saying keep it secret or there will be a row.

Do other families keep financial gifts secret? Is it common ?

sansou · 29/11/2018 11:46

Well, at least your DF was empathetic to your feelings. DH is in a similar scenario with his parent & sibling. MIL is similar to your DM in that she is completely dismissive of his feelings of rejection/being always second best. it took him until his mid 40's to verbalise his resentment and 5 years later, nothing has changed apart from us deliberately distancing ourselves more. It's hard to accept and the underlying resentment ALWAYS manifest itself at family gatherings which means more fractured relations. I have no answers.

worrymachine · 29/11/2018 11:47

Same Sansou

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:49

I did ask him about the lifts/childcare and what it came down to was the fact that because I’ve got a good set up in terms of income it wouldn’t even occur to him to think of ways to try and help us save money whereas that’s always the focus point of anything related to my sister.

He said if my sister had a good job and was married (so had a better income) then he’d have asked her for petrol money and lunch too in return for the driving round he did for her, but because she doesn’t then he would never ask.

It was the same thing in relation to childcare. He knew my sister wouldn’t have been able to afford full childcare for two children which is why he went out of his way so much to provide her childcare, whereas he knows I can afford 4 hours childcare so it’s not an issue that he doesn’t do it.

I couldn’t really argue with his point because when it comes down to it, my sister does not have a well paid job and isn’t as financially secure so it makes sense that her level of ‘help needed’ is viewed very differently to mine.

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blueshoes · 29/11/2018 11:51

It was good to have it out with your dad. I hope you feel better. At least, unlike your mother, he acknowledged his role in it and has had to rethink his attitude to both his daughters, instead of getting defensive. I felt sad to read you kept your head down because you did not feel worthy of their attention. It is important that these things get said and you had an audience in your dad.

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:51

Do other families keep financial gifts secret? Is it common?

From reading this thread I think it is very common.

My dad told me it was kept secret because my mom had said that if I found out then I wouldn’t be happy about it so rather than cause any hostilities they should just not tell me.

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SnartyFartBlast · 29/11/2018 11:52

But, what about the relationship he’s building with her children while he looks after them? Why should your children miss out on this because you made good life choices?

blueshoes · 29/11/2018 11:53

Did you show your dad your sister's facebook photos?

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:55

But, what about the relationship he’s building with her children while he looks after them?

He doesn’t now, it was when they were much younger. It was about 10-12 years ago that he did it. He provided the childcare for just over 3 years in total.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 11:58

Did you show your dad your sister's facebook photos

No - he’d already said that they money they gave was to enable her to have the same kind of life as everyone else which I’m guessing includes having a social life. If he’d had said the money was to help her pay her bills and rent etc because she was struggling then I probably
Would have mentioned something about how she’s spending the money, but that’s not what the money was intended for so I guess it’s irrelevant how she spends it.

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FilthyforFirth · 29/11/2018 11:59

I am surprised at how common it seems to be in relationships as well. I am the least favourite, as is my DH. From reading this thread it seems a lot of least favourites end up together.

I think the childcare/life thing is the worst and to be honest, your family (not you) seem a but obsessed with money. So because you could afford the childcare they shouldnt do it? Do they not want to spend time with their grandchildren.

I think if you talk to them again you might want to really bring home that their obsession with money isn't what you are upset about. It is that they just dont seem to care.

I am furious on your behalf, and everyone who isnt treated fairly by parents. It is so damaging. I am in my mid 30s and still feel the repurcussions now.

SnartyFartBlast · 29/11/2018 11:59

Thanks, I have RTFT but got lost in the unfairness.
I am so deeply empathetic to all these stories. Fairness is something even very small children can understand, it’s sad to see it played out like this in my own and other families.

worrymachine · 29/11/2018 12:00

My dad told me it was kept secret because my mom had said that if I found out then I wouldn’t be happy about it so rather than cause any hostilities they should just not tell me.

Of course you wouldn't be happy about it . You have every right to feel aggrieved at the secrecy.
It sounds like very similar games are being played . There is no family unity left in our case. Once the remaining parent is gone we will have nothing to do with each other ( I'm not the only sibling who feels unfairly treated)

worrymachine · 29/11/2018 12:01

Sorry , my first paragraph should have been in bold

RedDogsBeg · 29/11/2018 12:02

QueenofmyPrinces I am pleased you had such a long and honest talk with your dad, perhaps now he has heard your point of view and admitted this:

My dad was also upset when he left - he said he had no idea how their parenting styles had come across and that he genuinely thought they had simply been doing their best by both of us and treating us fairly. He said that perhaps if he’d looked at things through my eyes then maybe he would have realised that things weren’t as fair as they’d perhaps thought.

he can understand and accept how you feel and will work on your mum and sister to do the same.

I do wonder why, though, he honestly thought he was treating you both fairly when his reaction to you in these two examples you gave was so markedly different to how he reacted to your sister. He stated you 'just got on with it' and never asked for help yet when you did this is what you got:

When my sister’s children were young my dad changed his working hours so he had two days off a week (which then meant he had to work on Saturdays) so that he could provide childcare so my sister wouldn’t have to pay for it.

^He’s retired now and I’ve asked if he can provide 4 hours childcare for me of which my oldest will be in school for two of them. He knows that my reason for asking was to just help
a little with childcare as it would save us about £80 a month but he said no^.

For example, the other a few months ago my sister wanted to do some early Christmas shopping in our nearest city and despite buses and trains running there regularly she asked my dad for a lift so she wouldn’t have to pay. This involved him driving to her to pick her up (about 25 minutes) then driving to the City (another 25 minutes) and then driving himself home which would have taken him about 30 minutes depending on traffic. He obviously did this in return too because she asked for a lift back home too.

A few weeks later I had a hospital apppintment whilst my car was in for its MOT so I asked my dad if he could take me. I only asked because it was an early morning appointment and braving the bus with the two children in rush hour and school children and commuters etc just sounded like a bit of a nightmare. The round trip probably would have been slightly less than the trip he’d made for my sister but he said he’d do it if I gave him some money towards the petrol and that I’d buy him lunch as a thank you. The comment about lunch was made with a smile on his face, it was said light heartedly, not as a demand but it still annoyed me. I bet he hadn’t put any conditions on giving my sister a lift.

Ultimately I didn’t buy him lunch as I had to get back anf when I got out of his car at my house he told me that I “owed him one” seeing as he didn’t get his lunch.

This seems very odd reasoning too:

to make sure she could achieve getting a licence too so she and I would be ‘equals’ in at least one thing.

It is now all out in the open and at least with your dad you have had the chance to put across your points and be listened to, he does also seem to be genuine in his understanding of the effects of their differing treatment of you two sisters.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/11/2018 12:03

Did you explain the washing machine thing to him too?
I can understand their thinking wrt trying to equalise her and not leaving her to struggle though I'm not sure I agree with it, however they have let you struggle. There's an inherent blindness there, you cope so its fine to let your struggle on little money or physically hoiking washing left right and centre. They're infantilising your sister unfortunately.

I do hope it made you feel better that he at least tried to listen to you unlike your mum.

I had to have a similar conversation with my father last night, though it was about something with my DC. They'd decided to ignore my DC last Christmas then a month later bestowed a large birthday voucher on DD. His argument was that when DS' birthday came along recently they gave him the same which was true. Mine was that DS at 5 could not understand that, and had spent a long time thinking he was the reason that my parents haven't bothered with them and that all they needed in reality for any of those events was a phone call. My parents were only thinking of what was best for them and what they wanted without thinking of the wider impact. I suspect your parents are doing similar though hopefully your father is now understanding.

QueenofmyPrinces · 29/11/2018 12:04

I am surprised at how common it seems to be in relationships as well. I am the least favourite, as is my DH. From reading this thread it seems a lot of least favourites end up together.

My husband has a younger brother who my DH always perceived to be the favourite. It sounds like he was a right twat (and still is) but in the eyes of PIL he could do more. My DH paid for his own Uni education and
Car and bills etc whilst his parents paid for everything for his brother.
Unfortunately the damage and resentment set in so deep in their relationship that they have nothing to do with each other anymore.

Because of his experiences and my own we endeavour to make sure we treat our own two children equally.

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RandomMess · 29/11/2018 12:05

It was kept secret because deep down they know they actually do favour DSIS IMHO...

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/11/2018 12:06

My parents were only thinking of what was best for them and what they wanted without thinking of the wider impact
by which I mean my parents were only thinking of what was best for my parents and what my parents wanted. They weren't thinking of my DC at all.

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