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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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RandomMess · 28/11/2018 11:59

I have reread your original post.

The essence is:

You always forced me to be financially independent when I was broke student accruing so much debt (are you still repaying?) I had to pay for my own driving lessons and pay you board when I was at home. You wouldn't even support me to study.

Meanwhile DSIS got all this preferential treatment, she was working but you paid for x y z - she has never had to go without, learn how to budget or have to save up. You wouldn't even loan me £x for 2 weeks to get a new washing machine and was struggling.

Why am I never good enough to help or support? Not with childcare or car lifts or financial assist but DSIS always has been?

Dungeondragon15 · 28/11/2018 12:00

I think you need to put all the examples in writing as if you mention one individually that happened a while ago they can accuse you of being petty or of bringing up the past unnecessarily. In reality it is the accumulation of things which has made you angry. Considering that you were a student the argument that you were more able to afford lessons than your sister is laughable. Clearly they gave her the money because she asked and you didn't but they should have admitted that.

smatergiesstratergies · 28/11/2018 12:02

yes i don't think your parents have a single clue that there have been multiple things over the years you've swallowed - they honestly just sound as though they don't understand and have been proceeding in good faith all this time.

coconutpie · 28/11/2018 12:03

Put all your examples in writing and send it to them. I actually would silently withdraw from them all. I would also remind your parents that all the money they are subbing your sister could be used when they are elderly and may need care so perhaps they should think of saving for their own future as you will not be bailing them out.

ssd · 28/11/2018 12:03

Clearly they gave her the money because she asked and you didn't but they should have admitted that

not only did she ask, she also took

op clearly isn't a taker

I think you need to address your sister as well as your parents

WhatchaMaCalllit · 28/11/2018 12:04

OP, I really feel for you.
I hope you're going to be able to enjoy your lunch with your friend but when you get back, I would strongly consider that you send the message @MumW composed and add in at the end "As for why I'm bringing up (should be calling it "remembering") something that happened 15 years ago, it is relevant to me because as far as I can see, it might as well have happened yesterday or last week as the situation has remained the same where you and dad are treating DSis and me differently. Bailing out DSis and attaching terms and conditions to anything that I ask of you."

I hope you're able to eventually find your peace with this situation and that your parents realise what a situation they have caused.

senua · 28/11/2018 12:06

She asked me why on earth was I bringing up something that happened 15 years ago and that it really isn’t relevant anymore.
Answer: Because it is one in a long line of inequalities. It is still relevant to me. Why are you belittling my emotions? Are you actually listening to what I am saying?

Silkie2 · 28/11/2018 12:10

Maybe play a bit of a waiting game now. This dynamic won't change overnight.
Wait for them to come to you. And only speak to one ata a time so they can't back each other up.

Calm33 · 28/11/2018 12:18

I do feel that you need to speak to both your parents, things should be out in the open and your sister needs to stand on her own two feet otherwise she will never become 'an adult'. We have had the same situation in my family. It just ends unhappily and the resentment grows as time goes on. The mother has passed and the elder no longer speaks to her sister. The resentment and entiltement the younger sister felt she deserved and then it passed to her children grew worse over the years and the older the parents got and as a cousin said at the funeral the younger sister will always want more and never be satisfied. Looking back my cousin feels that she should have spoken out long ago as her mother felt she could always 'cope', her children and the sisters children do not speak to each other, so keeping silent/keeping the peace did not seem to work.
Keep it calm but stay firm and voice how you feel. Maybe your sister, mum and you get together with a couple of bottles of wine and just air things. Family said that the older sister should have spoken out and now she wishes that she had as she lost her sister a long time ago.

IrmaFayLear · 28/11/2018 12:19

Ime it never is worth it bringing up old injustices with parents. They just don't compute. And you end up being the bad guy.

Will we all as parents do the same and try to "equalise" our dcs? It seems so common that it is almost inescapable. I have two cousins - one married to an investment banker and one with a job in the charity sector. My aunt pays for the poorer dd to go to the same Chelsea hairdresser as her richer dd, go on equivalent megabucks holidays and so on and so on.

Tinkobell · 28/11/2018 12:21

Ask your parents OP this question .....when they are gone, who do they expect will be subbing your DSis then? Might it be you and your DH? Might it be friends? Are they going to leave DSis all their savings and just hope for the best?
For goodness sake, she needs to grow up and take the rough times and the smooth times like every mature responsible parent, develop strategies, go down the second hand shop....whatever; but stop bloody bleating to your parents every time she finds she's a few quid short. They are utter mugs with this kind of carry on and more importantly they are NOT helping her. If they want to help all of their grandchildren, why don't they stick £50 each child per month into a junior ISA?

Dungeondragon15 · 28/11/2018 12:22

Will we all as parents do the same and try to "equalise" our dcs? It seems so common that it is almost inescapable.

You don't necessarily have to give children the same amount but you do as a parent need to offer and not hide what you are giving the other. If OP's parents had done that she probably would have refused the money or other favour but would have felt she was being treated equally.

GreenTulips · 28/11/2018 12:27

I'm with you OP

My DSis was also a young parent single and without a job and DM helped her out - all good as it should be - but as soon as DSis was working and in her feet it stopped.

She need help and received it - no one minded

No DM treats all the GC the same -

It's the long term issue that's the real problem and her seeing your DSis as still needing to be babied

RandomMess · 28/11/2018 12:28

My eldest has brought up injustices and inequalities with me. I listened, I heard, I apologised, we discussed... we never fell out!!!

I expect it will happen again from one/all of them! Admitting your mistakes and changing your behaviour is part of being a parent!

MiggledyHiggins · 28/11/2018 12:33

I don't think they are going to get it. They are reducing it to specific incidents rather than acknowledging it's a pattern. They don't see the pattern.

You aren't going to change their mindset - even now you've seen that they think you are just pissed off about money and trying to throw some at you so you'll get over this 'mood' they think you are in.

I think you just have to accept it as it is, but if that means that your feelings change towards them or towards your sister as a result of this inequality so be it. And I'd make damn sure that I would never so much as ask them for the lend of a bus fare or to mind my child for 5 minutes.

FilthyforFirth · 28/11/2018 12:46

You should have gone with the hospital/trip to town example. Which made my blood boil by the way.

So sorry you are going through this. I am the least favourite and it bloody sucks.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 28/11/2018 13:06

I am so sorry OPthat they have treated you so badly.

You might find it helpful to have a look at the "But we took you to stately homes" thread in relationships (I think).

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MumW · 28/11/2018 13:26

Her response was that as I was having lessons it meant I could clearly afford the lessons so they didn’t see the need to offer any help.

Yeah, right. You can keep telling yourself that to justify your behaviour but we all know the reality is that
You always forced me to be financially independent. Even when I was broke student accruing so much debt I had to pay for my own driving lessons and pay you board when I was at home. You wouldn't even support me to study.

Plus what @senua said.

I'm getting more and more angry on your behalf.

funnelfanjo · 28/11/2018 13:30

I'm sorry about this situation OP, and I do sympathise. It is clear your parents and your sister really don't "get it" at the moment.

I do think though that you may have to prepare yourself that they will never get it - you've had an epiphany that has changed how you view yourself in your family, they haven't and are currently baffled as to why you're "making waves".

It may help you to consider - what is it you want out of this now? And after you have processed all your feelings? Acknowledgement of the situation from them - what will you do if that doesn't happen?

Just think that if you start to work out what a resolution looks like for you, then that may help you move forward and prevent circular discussions where you bring up examples of injustices and favouritism, they deny/defend, you get even more frustrated and nothing is resolved.

Graphista · 28/11/2018 13:37

Just a warning - don't assume they don't know how she's spending the money. My sister is the same and my parents know she lives more extravagantly than she needs to and while they'll occasionally raise it with her they don't really challenge her on it, because they know she'd kick off and cut off access to the grandchildren. She holds that over them.

I think you'll also find that the nights out, weekends away etc your mum is probably babysitting! And/or giving her spending money for these.

You won't change how these 3 are with each other it's pointless trying to or expecting that. At times when my parents have tried to make me think they didn't bail sis out AGAIN I've found out they did through other channels, even without trying to find out.

You kinda just have to make your peace with it for your own sake, but not get sucked in to helping her yourself any more and if you need help - ask! Not because you should have to but because then hopefully they would help you and if not - they've got to give an explanation and you deserve that too.

I too was always seen as "the coper" the one who didn't need help - until my trying to keep going doing everything myself resulted in a breakdown.

I have to say it's true what they say about that - you stop giving a fuck what people think so much! A fair few home truths came out as a result and what shocked my mum was not just from me! (Which she half heartedly tried to put down to being nonsensical due to me being ill) my bro and her siblings also pulled her up on not supporting me enough - not necessarily financially but certainly practically and emotionally. She tried to say I wouldn't let her, but she wouldn't have let my sis saying "I'm fine, I'll manage (X crisis) somehow" she'd have stepped in anyway and that's what they said to her. That she should have insisted - at least partly cos she KNOWS what I'm like too and I'll try to cope alone (but then the reason I'm like that is BECAUSE of my parenting - I was the eldest and I was EXPECTED to cope from a young age - and even though you're younger [just] I suspect it's true for you too).

It's not fair & it's not right, but you'll struggle to get them to see that.

NIKLOU · 28/11/2018 13:46

I know this all too well!! not, to the same extent though.

My mum has taken my sister on 3 holidays before, but not me. The reasoning behind all this, I am in a 'good' relationship & my sister is not!! Therefore was in need of a holiday!! None of this was done in secret, my mum would say to me, i'm taking her because she needs a break from things! (i just smiled & nodded) Erm, hello!! I had 2 under 3's in a one bedroom flat!! I need a break!! (not that i'm bitter or anything Wink)

QueenofmyPrinces · 28/11/2018 13:58

When I look back over the years it seems like my dad seemed to bend over backwards to help her out practically whereas my mom always seemed to be the one wanting to give financial aid. As an aside, I actually don’t think my sister would have asked outright for any money I genuinely think they were simply offering it to her and because she always so readily accepted it, it then became the expected the norm that they would help her pay for everything regardless of whether she actually needed their help or not.

They also paid for her to have private tutoring prior to her GCSEs which ended up being money down the drain, just like all the driving lessons they forked out for. They had also paid to put her on their own car insurance whilst she was learning so they could take her out themselves for extra lessons too. Needless to say they didn’t do that for me.

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Dungeondragon15 · 28/11/2018 14:07

They also paid for her to have private tutoring prior to her GCSEs which ended up being money down the drain

I'm not sure I would expect equality with regard to tutoring though unless you both needed it. I presume that she was less academic than you?

QueenofmyPrinces · 28/11/2018 14:14

She was just as academic and capable as me - the only difference was that she just couldn’t be bothered. All she wanted to do at school and college was have fun so she would do the bare minimum to get a pass grade and then stop.

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madmum5811 · 28/11/2018 14:20

The proverbial has hit the fan in a friends family. Dad died unexpectedly and it transpires going through all the paperwork that one sibling has been receiving thousands over the years, there was a request for 8k in the pipeline when he died. Yes living in London is more expensive but the designer clothes, bags, car, really were not necessities, everyone just thought she had a very well paid job.

Try sorting that lot out when settling the estate.

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