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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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RandomMess · 28/11/2018 06:04

The whole family is enabling your DSIS to not bother trying to better herself not live within her means....

I think your approach with your DP is around the "I shouldn't have bothered working hard at school then stuck it out at college when I wanted leave, worked part time to fund driving or slogged my guts out working extra 12 hour shifts at work - I should have sat back and be bank rolled by you guys!"

I would ask them if they are planning on bank rolling her further ensuring she gets plenty for her future at the expense of their care home fund or are they hoping DSIS is going to look after them as repayment? I guess just try and get them to think through where your DSIS is going to be when her maintenance stops, tax credits stop and if/when they can no longer "help" her...

Some people are just very entitled and mix that with rubbish financial responsibility and it turns into a perpetual cycle!

QueenofmyPrinces · 28/11/2018 07:20

It’s even things like just general unfair treatment even now...

For example, the other a few months ago my sister wanted to do some early Christmas shopping in our nearest city and despite buses and trains running there regularly she asked my dad for a lift so she wouldn’t have to pay. This involved him driving to her to pick her up (about 25 minutes) then driving to the City (another 25 minutes) and then driving himself home which would have taken him about 30 minutes depending on traffic. He obviously did this in return too because she asked for a lift back home too.

A few weeks later I had a hospital apppintment whilst my car was in for its MOT so I asked my dad if he could take me. I only asked because it was an early morning appointment and braving the bus with the two children in rush hour and school children and commuters etc just sounded like a bit of a nightmare. The round trip probably would have been slightly less than the trip he’d made for my sister but he said he’d do it if I gave him some money towards the petrol and that I’d buy him lunch as a thank you. The comment about lunch was made with a smile on his face, it was said light heartedly, not as a demand but it still annoyed me. I bet he hadn’t put any conditions on giving my sister a lift.

Ultimately I didn’t buy him lunch as I had to get back anf when I got out of his car at my house he told me that I “owed him one” seeing as he didn’t get his lunch.

I know it sounds really petty but it’s the little things like this that really grate on me.

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Tistheseason17 · 28/11/2018 07:25

It's not petty. It's mean and unkind.

YANBU

Yesitwasmethistime · 28/11/2018 07:29

Vivaldi1678 speaks a lot of sense when she says you have a close relationship with your family and I too can’t believe people are saying to go no contact.

That said I think you are 100% right to raise it and call them out on it. It is unfair and they are being duped by your sister whether purposefully or not. Their decision to keep it quiet is a clear sign they knew it wasn’t quite right.

In my situation I was gifted an opportunity which changed things and made DPs wake up to it when they had just paid off my sibling’s overdraft again and two weeks later sibling decided to buy a pedigree dog for £800. I told my DPs that they effectively bought the dog! It was a game changer as regards my DPs feeling so sorry for sibling financially. DPs still help them out practically lots though, which is fine.

I agree what your parents are doing is really hurtful but they are unlikely to have the lightbulb moment my DPs had. Think carefully about what you want the outcome to be, what the likelihood of that happening with the personalities involved and how far you are willing to push it or accept some things.

Good luck to you, it is a very difficult situation.

Yesitwasmethistime · 28/11/2018 07:32

Cross posted with you OP. There is clearly more at play and I wonder whether they are better examples to call them out on. That said, it will no doubt be a case of ‘I was joking about lunch’ etc... or playing devil’s advocate, could the idea of lunch have been to spend some time with you??

YouCouldBeMe · 28/11/2018 07:50

Great advice from Dragongirl on Monday at 14.12. You cannot change other's behaviour, only how you react to it. It sounds like there is a lot of hurt (understandably). You either discuss it with them and accept that there may be no change of accept that this is who they are

QueenofmyPrinces · 28/11/2018 07:56

or playing devil’s advocate, could the idea of lunch have been to spend some time with you??

At my expense.....
I see him once a week minimum so I can’t imagine why he’d have an urge to spend more time with me but even if it was the case, he could easily have just made us a sandwich at his house as opposed to suggesting I buy lunch as a thank you to him.

I could lost sooo many examples over the years like this...

Last summer my sister’s boiler broke so my mum went straight out and bought her a brand new and one that was definitely an upgrade from the one that had packed in.

A few years ago my washing machine packed in we couldn’t get a new one straight away as I was on maternity pay so our income was already less and until pay day came we were short of the funds to purchase one. My parents didn’t even offer to lend me the money, knowing they’d get it back within two weeks and instead watched me traipse back and forth to their house every other day in order to get all my washing done.

I’m seen as the self sufficient one whereas my sister is the one who needs them to come to her rescue.

It’s the little things like this that sting more than the whole £200 a month palaver.

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RandomMess · 28/11/2018 08:03

I guess list some of these petty things and ask them "how do you think it feels to me that you bend over backwards to help DSIS out; but when I ask for similar yet lesser you won't? It really hurts it's like I'm not allowed support from you"

Was it just the same when DSIS was still married? Is it some deep misogyny that you have a man looking after you Confused

RandomMess · 28/11/2018 08:04

Also learn to challenge things like lunch "why do you think I can afford to do that? Lunch out for 2 adults and 2 children isn't cheap"

RandomMess · 28/11/2018 08:07

This Christmas crank back the amount spent on DP, DSIS and DN token gifts because "we can't afford it". Seriously return stuff, they already have requested something/know you've bought it "sorry had to return x as struggling to pay bills this month"

They actually expect you and DH to bankroll all of them to some extent!

Mix56 · 28/11/2018 08:20

I never faced my parents with the clear fact sheet of disparity.
However, once I had the light bulb moment of seeing really how very differently I was treated, it changed irrevocably my relationship with my mother (father was dead at this point)
I agree that you need to decide how far you want to take this, & whether losing your false close relationship with your family make it worth it.
I agree as above, it's not even the money, (if you say she is using the £200 for partying, they will think your jealous as you aren't partying too) it's the imbalance of how she is favoured, & always has been. & this knocks on to your DC with the difficulty in child minding.
How will she survive when her DC leave home ?
Looking further, the inheritance, if indeed there is any left, has already been rigged, as she has had so much financial input throughout her adult life.

QueenofmyPrinces · 28/11/2018 08:27

Was it just the same when DSIS was still married? Is it some deep misogyny that you have a man looking after you.....

My sister was never married to her children’s father. That was always another issue that she had her kids young (in their eyes) to a man she wasn’t married to who was a bit of a no-hoper, whereas I married a man who also had a professional job and and then had children. It was always another thing our parents used to gush about how I’d done things ‘right’ whereas my sister had done ‘wrong’.

My mom is the least misogynist woman I know!! She is all about women not “needing a man” to take of care them and is very vocal about this. Strangely enough, despite her going on about the importance of a woman having her own independence, it’s fine for my sister to need her (and my dad) to take care of her.....

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Dungeondragon15 · 28/11/2018 08:32

I suspect that a lot of it is down to the fact that your sister has always asked for their help and you haven't. They probably don't even realise this and kid themselves that although they have helped her more, they help both of you as and when you need it. This has happened to me a bit in the past as my siblings don't seem to mind asking for favours at all whereas I very rarely do so so have been really annoyed that they make a big deal out of a once in a decade request.
You need to have a conversation with your parents about it or it will eat away at you now. They probably will disagree but it may make them behave differently in the future.

SlowDown76mph · 28/11/2018 08:54

Could you perhaps consider that both you and your sister are 'victims' of your parents' skewed ideas of how to relate to (manipulate) their children? It has really messed up your sibling relationship. Your parents' behaviour isn't healthy or normal. This is the whole crux of the issue.

The impact is just as bad for you both, just expressed in different ways and outcomes. What sort of relationship would you have liked with your sister had things been different?

Talk to her face to face. Cut out the interference from your parents.

The jealousy that has been provoked from both of you leaves your parents in a position of control. It's insidious and poisonous. It doesn't have to carry on though.

You're at a very important point, here and now, of choosing how the rest of your lifetime sibling relationships pan out. Don't let the negative feelings drive your choices.

RandomMess · 28/11/2018 08:56

I assumed her ex had lived with DSIS at some point???

Another way to approach is

"I'f fed up of being cast in this role that because I went to college because I have a job and perceived "professional" husband that I never help or support and that I have lots of money to splash around. It's just not true, when I ask for help it's such a big deal when you have always helped DSIS far more practically and financially."

7yo7yo · 28/11/2018 09:00

Sorry op but they aren’t nice people they are horrible toxic people and despite all their pride and boasting in you, you are clearly the black sheep and your sis is the golden child.
At the moment your are in the FOG (fear obligation guilt) you are taking your fledgling steps away from them. I wish you luck and strength because you will need it.

MumW · 28/11/2018 09:04

She knows I will decline her offer and now so she can paint me as the martyr and her the victim again. She probably just wants to look like the good guy whilst making me seem like the bad guy for not accepting her olive branch....

Do you know what, I think that you are going to be the bad guy and your DSis the victim whatever way you play it. I'd be tempted to call her bluff and take the money - tell her it's a relief shes given it to you as you thought you were going to have to do extra overtime to balance the books this month. You also need to stop lettkng them think you have money to burn. Eg: ok Dad, I'll give you petrol money this week but you'll have to wait until payday, can't afford to treat you to lunch this month, the DC need new shoes so cashflow is a bit tight this month.

I'd also try to subtly drop into conbersation your sisters spending habits. You know, when you're all together, ask her how her weekend away was, did she prefer that location or the previous holiday, compliment her on her new outfit and say you like the other new outfit you saw in the facebook picture. Offer to show your mum the photo on you're phone and accidentally scroll through your sisters recent timeline.

Looking in from the outside, I can see many similarities to your situation with abused wives with your parents/sister in the role of the abusive husband and you the downtrodden wife. You have emotional abuse (not getting the same support as your DSis), financial abuse (withholding the same financial privileges your DSis enjoys) and gaslighting (twisting reality, it's always your fault).
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haloumi · 28/11/2018 09:06

This sounds like a really complex situation.

I'd get shot of all of them, they sound like a right nasty bunch.

Are you too old to be adopted by a nicer family?

Babyblade · 28/11/2018 09:15

Dear OP - this is so sad Sad

The £200 and the holiday are the least of the examples that you've given. The washing machine vs boiler, hospital lift and childcare help are heart breaking - they weren't financial issues, you asked for help and they refused! Angry

I agree you need to avoid your sister becoming the martyr and minimising the issue with regards to the holiday money, but how to do this I'm not too sure.

You sound like a really lovely person - good luck, we're rooting for you!

Jimjamjong · 28/11/2018 09:20

You have got "mug" written on your forehead OP, you need to stand up for yourself. Some parents will have favorites, some will only give to kids that ask. Don't accept to be "better than your sister" or morally superior but not get any actual help.
To your dad about the pick up: " Don't be silly dad, you picked up DSis last week and didn't ask her for a contribution. It would be a great help to me, are you happy to do it or not?", etc....
Tell your parents about the money and that you think it's unfair. You don't have to have a big fall out, just tell them how it makes you feel and that it would help you as well.

woollyheart · 28/11/2018 09:22

This is really sad. Your sister seems to be the child they can never say no to.

And you seem to be the one that they can't bring themselves to be generous and say yes to.

I would be tempted to do as @MumW suggests, and take the money, saying that you are so relieved because you are having trouble fitting in overtime to pay for it.

Makemeacuppa · 28/11/2018 09:34

Similar position with my sister here and I completely understand how you feel , whilst yes it is your parents money you’re not being treated equally . She has no need to stand on her own feet whilst people / family are supporting her . She has never grown up !

Unicornandbows · 28/11/2018 09:48

Op the washing machine and hospital situation are absolutely piss taking. This is no longer just about favouritism. See it more as abuse they don't see you as their child they are bang out of order.

WhipItGood · 28/11/2018 09:55

I suspect that a lot of it is down to the fact that your sister has always asked for their help and you haven't. They probably don't even realise this and kid themselves that although they have helped her more, they help both of you as and when you need it Perceptive post from Dungeondragon

That pretty much sums up Dh, bil and their parents. Mil even goes about saying she treats everyone the same when the opposite is the case. But she tells me she has a ‘special relationship’ with bil’s family. That does hurt and I don’t know why she even said it, especially as it’s obvious.

I’m supposed to say nothing and I don’t because it’s ingrained in them to react the way they do. Because they’re old, now have health issues and don’t realise or care to admit that they do it.

But it’s the regular and ill concealed revelations, some big, but mainly small, that are the continual and casual reminders which needle at you. It all gets swallowed down.

So hats off to you OP for actually bringing it out, although confronting people with their unkind behaviour can have a seismic effect on your relationship with them. I’ve wanted to do the same for years with my in-laws but Dh can’t seem to bear to face it because I think it hurts him, and I don’t want to make him feel worse about it. His parents, so his call to make. But I’ve been and remain very tempted.

I was curious to observe recently though when they became unwell suddenly and needed some serious help and support that Dh was there for them day after day after day where as bil was nowhere to be seen.

Popartist · 28/11/2018 09:59

I think you are handling things very well. I would accept the money from your sister simply because that is what would happen in a ‘normal’ situation. Do your mum and dad know you were paying for this whilst your DSis was spending money on treats for herself.

I would rehearse a simple statement tailored to each saying why their behaviour has been so hurtful and seems unfair to you. Spelling it out may not change their behaviour as it seems pretty engrained but it will give them a chance to reflect.

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